Full ring 5 10 QQ

Hectorjelly

Villain is playing tight. No reads. Stack sizes dont really matter. Utg makes it 30, two callers, I call as well from the button. The flop is AATr, villain leads for 80, I call. Turn is a 9, check check. River 8 he bets 175 I fold.

Good Bad? I never play full ring.

ianmc38

1. Full ring HE - Yuck
2. Why not make it 150 or so preflop?
3. I cant see any reason to call that flop
4. As played why call flop and fold the river?

Ste05

Hectorjelly wrote:

Villain is playing tight. No reads. Stack sizes dont really matter. Utg makes it 30, two callers, I call as well from the button. The flop is AATr, villain leads for 80, I call. Turn is a 9, check check. River 8 he bets 175 I fold.

Good Bad? I never play full ring.

Well I don't think you beat anything that a tighty could possibly have raised with from UTG, and then bet into 3 players on the flop. He might have folded KK to a bet/raise on the Turn or River, based on how you were playing, but it's marginal.
I think the Villain played it well, whatever he had.

Lafortezza

I think I might prefer betting the turn, folding to a raise, or betting turn and checking behind on river. Possibly more of a chance to get to a showdown.

Hectorjelly

ianmc38 wrote:

1. Full ring HE - Yuck
2. Why not make it 150 or so preflop?
3. I cant see any reason to call that flop
4. As played why call flop and fold the river?

1 For a change
2 because I fold all hands Im beating and get called/raised by hand that beat me. This is a TIGHT table. Also and importantly im in position. Raising might be better, but I definitely think this is a spot where it pays to mix up your play.
3 I thought he might be bluffing, or have a worse hand
4 because I think he might be bluffing the flop or be betting JJ/lower pair for value, on the river I only beat a bluff and it looks like im probably going to call, so I fold.

That was my thinking at the time, this hand didnt feel right afterwards.

Hectorjelly

lafortezza wrote:

I think I might prefer betting the turn, folding to a raise, or betting turn and checking behind on river. Possibly more of a chance to get to a showdown.

I think against a good opponent betting the turn makes it much more expensive to get to showdown when Im behind (which is when I really want to keep it cheap. If I lead the turn I think the villain will still lead AK etc on the river, so ive more than doubled the price I could pay by just checking. Against bad opponents this doesnt hold true.

bohsman

I think youve been reading too much Negranaeu.

Lafortezza

Hectorjelly wrote:

I think against a good opponent betting the turn makes it much more expensive to get to showdown when Im behind (which is when I really want to keep it cheap. If I lead the turn I think the villain will still lead AK etc on the river, so ive more than doubled the price I could pay by just checking. Against bad opponents this doesnt hold true.

Say you bet the turn and Villain calls. Then Villain bets the river, I can't see any hands at all that you will beat if you call. So If Villain bets river after you bet the turn it's an easy fold. He won't bet KK on a non-K river will he?

bohsman wrote:

I think youve been reading too much Negranaeu.

Me or HJ? I don't read DN, but I am jealous of the collection of jumpers he wears on HSP.

Hectorjelly

lafortezza wrote:

Say you bet the turn and Villain calls. Then Villain bets the river, I can't see any hands at all that you will beat if you call. So If Villain bets river after you bet the turn it's an easy fold. He won't bet KK on a non-K river will he?

Why bet the turn though? It just costs me the same as calling the river but I dont get to a showdown. It also makes it less likely that the $150 odd I spend is calling a bluff.

bohsman

lafortezza wrote:

J? I don't read DN, but I am jealous of the collection of jumpers he wears on HSP.

HJ, see DN thread going at the mo.

I fold to the flop bet, I dont mind the flat call preflop but 90% of the time I reraise.

fuzzbox

Well played.

NickyOD

I play the hand the same way, and if I'm in the villains shoes I most likely play an AK/AQ/TT very similar checking the turn with the intention of check raising. He could also easily have had 99/88 here.

I remember a similar hand I played in Vegas recently. I raised with 88 from EP. 2 callers. Flop is A-A-8. I bet 2/3 the pot. 1 caller. Turn is a 7. I check he bets half the pot, I raise, he reraises putting in 2/3 of his stack I go all in... he folds. .

cardshark202

NickyOD wrote:

I play the hand the same way, and if I'm in the villains shoes I most likely play an AK/AQ/TT very similar checking the turn with the intention of check raising. He could also easily have had 99/88 here.

Not sure I like the check-raise there. You lose too much action from a weaker ace imo.

NickyOD wrote:

I remember an almost identical hand I played in Vegas recently. I raised with 88 from EP. 2 callers. Flop is A-A-8. I bet 2/3 the pot. 1 caller. Turn is a 7. I check he bets half the pot, I raise, he reraises putting in 2/3 of his stack I go all in... he folds. .

That hand doesn't seem to be anything like the one HJ described but mneh, I guess I'm just being pedantic.

fuzzbox

I agree with sharky - I dont like a c/r with AK or TT there.

Gholimoli

ianmc38 wrote:

1. Full ring HE - Yuck
2. Why not make it 150 or so preflop?
3. I cant see any reason to call that flop
4. As played why call flop and fold the river?

there is every reason to call the flop and fold the river.
not saying a call is horrible on the river but there is nothing wrong with calling flop and folding river.