Negraneu comment

shaydy

This is an interesting quote from Negraneu's blog,

"As for the big game, I probably won't be playing in the game any time soon. In my last play, before the main event at the WSOP, I lost over a million in one play, and that took up a significant part of my playing bankroll. I have no plans of going broke any time soon, and it's not all that hard to lose a couple million straight playing at those stakes."

I'd love to know who cleaned him and the hands involved. He normally mentions the hands involved in the big games but this must have been hard to take.

It wasn't so long ago he spoke of losing a million at this game and brushing it off with a comment of "losing his cherry" if i remember correctly, I wonder what has changed since:rolleyes: . He has been talking a lot lately of playing high stakes golf and wouldn't mention the stakes he plays at as he felt people would :eek: at hearing the amounts

Has KidPoker hit a dry spot? He's normally be back in this game the following night going by his previous posts?

Shay

staringelf

not sure who it was that cleaned him out for a million but i know gus hansen and barry greenstein were both at the table. i remember watching that blog...he did win 462k a couple nights before it though which should soften the blow.

ianmc38

Apparently he's an absolutely attrocious golfer so he must be spewing money in that!

The hand vs Gus in High Stakes Poker Ep 11 is possibly the sickest hand I've ever seen.

Ardent

When he broke his cherry, as Phil Ivey called it, he went from being stuck a million dollars to being stuck only (!) 200k in the same session. So he hadn't lost a million dollars in one session before. Losing a million dollars in one session of poker would put a halt in anyone's tracks!

(I'm not surprised he lost a million dollars, he's a calling station!)

Norwich Fan Rob

they play golf for 100k a hole, pretty much every day, and Negreanu is absolutely delighted if he breaks 100 gross !!!

Ardent

I wonder if there's a consistent winner in The Big Game - my bet would be Texas Dolly - or does the money get recycled among the likes of Greenstein, Ivey, Brunson etc?

shaydy

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

they play golf for 100k a hole

now thats a pressure shot! imagine a 5 foot put for 100k, the putter would be like a jack hammer in my hands:D

Hectorjelly

ianmc38 wrote:

Apparently he's an absolutely attrocious golfer so he must be spewing money in that!

The hand vs Gus in High Stakes Poker Ep 11 is possibly the sickest hand I've ever seen.

How have you seen that! AFAIK it hasnt been shown yet, apart from the preview of it in EP10. I dont think ive ever looked forward to seeing a hand as badly as this one#1!

ps dont ruin it

Ardent

Hectorjelly wrote:

How have you seen that! AFAIK it hasnt been shown yet, apart from the preview of it in EP10. I dont think ive ever looked forward to seeing a hand as badly as this one#1!

ps dont ruin it

Negreanu described the hand in detail in one of his previous blogs. It is indeed sick stuff. Will get to see it tomorrow night, can't wait for the facial reactions etc...!!

Magic Pips

where will it be on?

Ardent

Magic Pips wrote:

where will it be on?

It's on GSN in the States tonight AFAIK. How I get to see it tomorrow night I can't really say, you need to find these things out for yourself.

staringelf

ianmc38 wrote:

Apparently he's an absolutely attrocious golfer so he must be spewing money in that!

apparently they're all atrocious though...so its really just a case of who is the least worst. what a life..:rolleyes:

bohsman

staringelf wrote:

apparently they're all atrocious though...so its really just a case of who is the least worst. what a life..:rolleyes:

Theres 5 or 6 pro golfers who play him, I dont do golf but apparently its not usual for 6 golfers to play at the same time

Ste05

Hectorjelly wrote:

How have you seen that! AFAIK it hasnt been shown yet, apart from the preview of it in EP10. I dont think ive ever looked forward to seeing a hand as badly as this one#1!

ps dont ruin it

Agreed, can't wait to see it...

bill_ashmount

Ardent wrote:

Negreanu described the hand in detail in one of his previous blogs. It is indeed sick stuff. Will get to see it tomorrow night, can't wait for the facial reactions etc...!!

Any chance you could post a link to the hand in his blog if you can remember where it is? I won't be able to watch this on T.V.

Cheers.

califano

I'd appreciate if anybody has a cousint who can loan me this episode could PM me the details?. Thanks in advance.

delanec8

ianmc38 wrote:

Apparently he's an absolutely attrocious golfer so he must be spewing money in that!

Yeah he is pretty horrible at golf. If youre happy to break 100 youre doing something wrong but if he has a good day for him, ie breaking 100 he will more than likely win money because of the handicapping they use

Ardent

bill_ashmount wrote:

Any chance you could post a link to the hand in his blog if you can remember where it is? I won't be able to watch this on T.V.

Cheers.

Don't click on this link if you plan on watching the next episode:
http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-journal.php?subaction=showfull&id=1144976893&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&

NickyOD

I think he's just being shown up for the poker hack that he really is.

He wrote about his AJ V Grinder's AQ HS Poker hand in Cardplayer and I almost gave myself a hernia laughing at his justification for how he played the hand (disguised as a strategy collumn). He was actually delighted with how he played it. He's a jopke!!!

Rb

NickyOD wrote:

He's a jopke!!!

Go for it so.

antomadness

rounders123 wrote:

I'd appreciate if anybody has a cousint who can loan me this episode could PM me the details?. Thanks in advance.

Yeah if someones cousin could loan them to me too id appreciate it
thanks in advance

antomadness

rounders123 wrote:

I'd appreciate if anybody has a cousint who can loan me this episode could PM me the details?. Thanks in advance.

Yeah if someones cousin could loan them to me too id appreciate it
thanks in advance

Ollieboy

have to say he's very funny guy at the table and he even got up and show everyone his golf swing, it was terrible, he loves the women and they love him and he's massive in the states, everyone wants to meet him and see him. He'll always make money and I dont think 1 million is that much to him, but he might be suffering burnout more than anything else.

As for been a muppet player, he didnt just walk in and play high stakes poker, so I think he deserves some respect as a player, he had over 300k chips in day 2 and was in 3rd position in chip count, so he cant be that bad of a player.

I was told they play 100k per a hole, but they only play about 9 holes in a round and they all break even.

Hectorjelly

NickyOD wrote:

I think he's just being shown up for the poker hack that he really is.

He wrote about his AJ V Grinder's AQ HS Poker hand in Cardplayer and I almost gave myself a hernia laughing at his justification for how he played the hand (disguised as a strategy collumn). He was actually delighted with how he played it. He's a jopke!!!

Yeah I watched that hand and thought "what a fish!" then a few weeks later read his article and chortled out loud at his justification.

NickyOD

Hectorjelly wrote:

Yeah I watched that hand and thought "what a fish!" then a few weeks later read his article and chortled out loud at his justification.

I was actually going to email him about the hand just for a laugh, not that I'd get a reply or anything but since he's having a rough time at the moment I'll let him off.

Here is the article. Everytime I get to the bit where he says "also I had a backdoor flush draw" I pee myself.

http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/15580

phantom_lord

NickyOD wrote:

http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/15580

lol, there was lines I was gonna quote to make fun of, but there was so many I gave up.

Hectorjelly

Yeah its a shame, because the point he is trying to make is very good and he played the hand well from the turn onwards.

De Deraco

there is definately not enough written about the power of the call. and thats not really a great article. anybody have any good links?

Lafortezza

Apparently Negreanu, Ivey and Michael Jordan played some golf near NY. One of them made alot of cash and it wasn't a poker player.

NickyOD

lafortezza wrote:

Apparently Negreanu, Ivey and Michael Jordan played some golf near NY. One of them made alot of cash and it wasn't a poker player.

Was it Negreanu?

ianmc38

NickyOD wrote:

Was it Negreanu?

Boom

Doc Farrell

I guess there's no real point in my saying this as either I'll be attacked for stating the obvious or attacked for being incredibly wrong but there's no doubt in mind that Daniel (i can't spell his surname) is one of the greatest poker players of all time. His career over the past three years is my justification.

however, I'm sure you will all disagree in the politest manner possible.... :rolleyes:

gl. d.

DapperGent

Ardent wrote:

can't wait for the facial reactions etc...!!

Poker pr0n?

eoghan104

Doc Farrell wrote:

I guess there's no real point in my saying this as either I'll be attacked for stating the obvious or attacked for being incredibly wrong but there's no doubt in mind that Daniel (i can't spell his surname) is one of the greatest poker players of all time. His career over the past three years is my justification.

however, I'm sure you will all disagree in the politest manner possible.... :rolleyes:

gl. d.

I completley agree and i think its very unfair for people to be slagging off his play like this. Hes in the top ten most succesful tournament players in the last few years. Its hilarious to me that people slate him like hes a donkey when there is no way that they will ever get close to being as successful as Daniel........... to me it sounds like jealousy and i nearly "give myself a hernia" laughing at these idiotic posts.

NickyOD

eoghan104 wrote:

Its hilarious to me that people slate him like hes a donkey when there is no way that they will ever get close to being as successful as Daniel.

I'll bet you Negreanu's never been on TV3!!!

Hectorjelly

Theres no doubt he has been very successfull, but he definitely has holes in his game. Its not jealousy. If you watch high stakes poker you will see that some of the players on it play well, and some play pretty badly. I had a problem with Antonio Esfendaris personality before the show, but Ive really been impressed with how he played. I havent been impressed with Daniels, and thats not jealousy.

ianmc38

Doc Farrell wrote:

I guess there's no real point in my saying this as either I'll be attacked for stating the obvious or attacked for being incredibly wrong but there's no doubt in mind that Daniel (i can't spell his surname) is one of the greatest poker players of all time. His career over the past three years is my justification.

however, I'm sure you will all disagree in the politest manner possible.... :rolleyes:

gl. d.

Wholeheartedly agree with this. To say he's in any way donkish is absurd. His tournament record is second to none:

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=181

Making a few bad plays in no way makes him a bad player.

The idea that players on here are taking the piss outta him is simply laughable.

NickyOD

Hectorjelly wrote:

Theres no doubt he has been very successfull, but he definitely has holes in his game. Its not jealousy. If you watch high stakes poker you will see that some of the players on it play well, and some play pretty badly. I had a problem with Antonio Esfendaris personality before the show, but Ive really been impressed with how he played. I havent been impressed with Daniels, and thats not jealousy.

I'm pretty much in the same boat. Mizrachi, Matusow, Estefandari and Elahi have been pretty good on the show from what I've seen of it. Everyone else has been bad with Negreanu being the most inept of the lot. I'm pretty sure the better players in the game consider him the fish of the table.

I'm not talking about a few bad plays, I'm talking absolute basic beginner mistakes, and then Kidpoker think if he says he's just "mixing up my play" then it's all ok. I'm willing to bet that Negreanu can't beat 5/10 NL online.

delanec8

NickyOD wrote:

I'm pretty much in the same boat. Mizrachi, Matusow, Estefandari and Elahi have been pretty good on the show from what I've seen of it. Everyone else has been bad with Negreanu being the most inept of the lot. I'm pretty sure the better players in the game consider him the fish of the table.

I'm not talking about a few bad plays, I'm talking absolute basic beginner mistakes, and then Kidpoker think if he says he's just "mixing up my play" then it's all ok. I'm willing to bet that Negreanu can't beat 5/10 NL online.

You musn't have seen the last 3 or 4 episodes. Matusow is the biggest donk in the game and Greenstein and especially Doyle have been impressive imo.

NickyOD

delanec8 wrote:

You musn't have seen the last 3 or 4 episodes. Matusow is the biggest donk in the game and Greenstein and especially Doyle have been impressive imo.

You're right I havne't seen enough episodes.

RasTa

Hear Hear

Goodluck2me

I find it hard to call anyone a donk on that show. if you read the negranue and hanson hand youll see the way hanson played the hand was hardly optimal, yet it still received the best possible payout. the constantly make play and 90% of the time have good reasons for doing so.
negranu may not be able to beat the 5-10 game but i bet noone on here could beat the big game either.

Ardent

NickyOD wrote:

I'm pretty much in the same boat. Mizrachi, Matusow, Estefandari and Elahi have been pretty good on the show from what I've seen of it. Everyone else has been bad with Negreanu being the most inept of the lot. I'm pretty sure the better players in the game consider him the fish of the table.

I'm not talking about a few bad plays, I'm talking absolute basic beginner mistakes, and then Kidpoker think if he says he's just "mixing up my play" then it's all ok. I'm willing to bet that Negreanu can't beat 5/10 NL online.

I think that's pretty harsh. Season 1 wasn't a great showing from him but, in season 2, he didn't get any cards for the first few episodes and hardly played a hand. In the last couple of episodes before play broke on day 1, he finally started getting some cards, hitting some flops and went on a hell of a rush to make his money back and then some.

The thing I've noticed over the two seasons of HSP so far is that the other Big Game regulars - e.g., Brunson, Farha, Elezra etc - tend to push when involved in a pot with Negreanu. It's like they know how hard it is to get him off a hand. The boy's got gamble in him.

Hectorjelly

goodluck2me wrote:

I find it hard to call anyone a donk on that show. if you read the negranue and hanson hand youll see the way hanson played the hand was hardly optimal, yet it still received the best possible payout. the constantly make play and 90% of the time have good reasons for doing so.
negranu may not be able to beat the 5-10 game but i bet noone on here could beat the big game either.

you just spoiled the hand

The dissapointment with the show is they are never making moves on each other (bar preflop)

ianmc38

The most impressive players for me have been Greenstein, Doyle and Phil Laak. Negreanu has been good in parts and horrific in others, the A7 hand being the most notable. Greensteins move with JT in the last episode was sweet. The other episodes are available pretv you just need to contact all the in-laws.

Sinfonia

Could Nicky or somebody else who didn't like Negreanu's play against Mizrachi explain to me what was wrong?

NickyOD

SumGuy wrote:

Could Nicky or somebody else who didn't like Negreanu's play against Mizrachi explain to me what was wrong?

EDIt disregard stupid comments here. He limped in trhe SB not the CO.

After he limps Mizrachi raises, the blinds fold and he calls. Nothing wrong here except that he has no clue what Mizrachi has.

The flop comes down 8s-5s-3h.

He checked and Mizrach bets about half the pot. So he is facing a bet OOP from the preflop raiser who is an excellent player and has no pair and no draw. He decides to call!!!! WTF????

There are 3 ways he could have played the flop better.

1) he could have lead the flop: It seems like a strange play but its not bad if he bets about half the pot. It's very possible this will throw mizrachi and he'll just dump his hand. He would only need this to work a third of the time to break even.

2) he could have check folded (probably the best option)

3) he could have check raised and if he had any clue what mizrachi had in his hand this is what he should have done. since he really had no clue what Mizrachi was holding he was probably better off taking option 2 .

Delayed bluffs are over-rated and you either need to have some kind of dodgy draw going on or have a good idea what your opoenent has in his hand. Since Negreanu only had a back door flush and over cards that may not have been live ANd not at any point in the hand had any kind of read on Mizrachi, he took the worst of all his options, but as HJ said once he hit his ace check calling was the right play after the turn.

Lazare

Did he not complete in the SB?

Sinfonia

he did mention "bluff outs", whereby if a third spade came on the turn or river, he could bet and take the pot, as he obviously didnt put Mizrachi on a spade draw, or maybe he could have represented a straight also, as he often touts the merits of hands like 67.

i think he was trying to create an impression of his own hand on Mizrachi, because maybe he had no idea what Mizrachi was holding, and then once he hit the ace, he was stuck in the hand then. i don't think he felt that the backdoor flush draw was a huge bonus, but if a second heart hit on the turn it would add to the bluffing outs, and if he subsequently made the flush, it would be very difficult to put Daniel on the heart flush.

thats my two cents on Negreanu's two cents anyway.

Hectorjelly

Put simply, Negreanu floated the flop, out of position. To make this profitable you need to play MUCH better than the player your playing against. In position it would be much more viable.

This hand is pretty typical of loads of hands Negreanu played, and I think the main problem was he was constantly overvaluing the skill advantage he enjoyed.

tacker

The Hansen Negreanu hand is now on You Tube