Legally import Airsoft

newby.204

In relation to the changes of the CJB, can I/could I now legally buy an Airsoft over the net and have it posted to me? Or do i need papers to import it?? Sparks??, you seem to be quite knowledgable

whupass

it's all legal you don't need papers because it is NOT a gun, you don't need papers for a toy do you?

Sparks

Seems fairly straightforward. So long as the muzzle energy does not exceed one joule, it's not a firearm by definition so you shouldn't need firearms paperwork to import one.

Now, as to whatever else the government may decide is necessary, I don't know. Duty, VAT, etc, should all be paid, but at what rates I don't know - some of this stuff is marketed as toys, some as sports gear, so what the final arrangements will be I don't know. But it should be as simple as ordering books from amazon, according to the law.

newby.204

excellent the postman going to be busy in about two weeks so:D

whupass

other people have ordered stuff as well but it hasn't arrived yet, one guy said he bought a colt in a shop in kilkenny! i'll be making the postman VERY busy once i get the money and stuff, i'm planing on a rifle, 2 aegs, 3-4 pistols and holsters and stuff, too much?

Sparks

whupass wrote:

i'm planing on a rifle, 2 aegs, 3-4 pistols and holsters and stuff, too much?

The phrase "jack of all trades, master of none" seems appropriate...

whupass

aww thanks.

well the sniper is for my friends house. he has 18 acres so i was thinking of maybe setting up a target.

2 aegs because the p90 is short range so that would be for an urban setting, and something else for the woods.

3-4 pistols because i want the two leg holsters and a sholder one and well they are useless without a gun in them. (i also saw a catalogue in army bargains which had a skin tight t-shirt with pockets for hidden guns, so if i get captured i'd have a backup hidden away for when i use my laser to break my wristraints!;)) overboard? god no.

civdef

What actual relevance has all this to the shooting forum?

Aww Civ, I was expecting a snappier put down!

Rovi

civdef wrote:

What actual relevance has all this to the shooting forum?

Not a awful lot I suppose, now that the <1 joule stuff are officially not 'firearms', but until and unless a specific Airsoft Forum gets created, we're always going to have an occasional post about them here.

Would it be an idea to move this thread over to Sports > Extreme Sports, and let it add to the groundswell of airsoft threads there? It might add a little more weight to the campaign for an Airsoft Forum if the Admins see airsoft threads getting shunted over there from other forums.

Rew

Extreme Sports:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=168

We requested an air soft/paintball forum ages ago it go the go ahead but dont know what happend in the end.

Vas_Guy

Sparks wrote:

Seems fairly straightforward. So long as the muzzle energy does not exceed one joule, it's not a firearm by definition so you shouldn't need firearms paperwork to import one.
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I'm thinking of getting a airgun for target practice, I see airguns on http://www.gizmos-uk.com and http://www.wolfarmouries.co.uk

Could anybody recommend an air gun under one joule that would be suitable for target practice.

Sparks

Vas_Guy wrote:

Could anybody recommend an air gun under one joule that would be suitable for target practice.

Interesting idea, but I can't think of anything that's really going to be as accurate as a real air pistol. Airsofts are smooth-bore, and are usually quoted as being able to hold a 6"-8" group at 50 yards. At ten metres or six yards though, you're not going to get anywhere near a proper air pistol, which will put all its pellets in the same hole from a vicegrip without much hassle. Of course, at €250-300, a real air pistol may be somewhat pricey compared to an airsoft.

That's assuming, of course, that you're talking about bullseye-style practise. If you mean practical pistol, I've no idea if they'd be useful or not, someone else will though.

maglite

civdef wrote:

What actual relevance has all this to the shooting forum?

it involves guns even if they are not licenced and will turn ouot to be a very popular sport

civdef

It involves toy guns. Do we start covering cowboys and indians now too?

Sparks

I could see there being a limited cross-over, with topics like airsoft shooters graduating to real firearms; airsoft guns being used for some training purposes; and similar sorts of things. Airsoft target shooting might be a fun plinking exercise for the plinkers in a club (who form the majority most of the time).
Can't see the airsoft sport itself (as opposed to the gear) being a huge part of our community though - hence the push for a seperate airsoft forum.

I don't think it should be on this forum - or else keep it in a seperate Air Soft thread

All this talk about P-90 this and sniper rifle can't be good for target shooting / hunting

whupass

whupass wrote:

... the p90 is short range so that would be for an urban setting, and something else for the woods.

3-4 pistols because i want the two leg holsters and a sholder

... army bargains which had a skin tight t-shirt with pockets for hidden guns, so if i get captured i'd have a backup hidden away...

in a certain context it sounds like you are about to go postal!!

Sparks

Yes, that stuff (which is basicly the airgun sport/game/your-choice-of-word-here) doesn't have a place in this forum. But stuff like "can you use an airsoft replica to do basic safety training for pistols", well, that's a different kettle of fish I think.

civdef

"can you use an airsoft replica to do basic safety training for pistols"

My take on that would be no, not effectively anyway.

Rovi

civdef wrote:

My take on that would be no, not effectively anyway.

What about really basic stuff like grip, muzzle control, etc?


Oh, 1000th post!
w00t!

I think I said this before, but;

I do not think that it is a good idea to start people off on toy pistols.

If you start them with an unloaded gun, then they know that it is a gun and they will have more respect for it, and thus they will be more attentive to safety proceedures.

However, a toy will not have the same effect, so while they may learn about the basics, they might not have the same safety ethic.. esp if these people are young people who play with air soft guns.. you are automatically blurring the lines between air soft and real guns.

Besides, you can teach people just as well with unloaded guns!

Sparks

Besides, you can teach people just as well with unloaded guns!

For ISSF, definitely. Airsoft replicas not only wouldn't exist, they'd be silly and a waste of money.
But for stuff like IPSC shooting, where you'd think that trigger control while moving was something you'd want to check on before giving a beginner a licence, I wouldn't know if there was a case or not. Hence the idea of saying it was a discussion point that would be relevant to the forum.

sidneyreilly

Might be usefull for experienced practical shooters to practice in the garden but wouldnt recomend it for novices, wouldnt give the same level of respect.

newby.204

I only started this thread here as i knew Sparks to be knowledgable on the CJB and required his help with an issue, i didn think that putting it in the Extreme sports - airsoft thread would be helpful well they seem more interested in what there gona have all over there bedroom floor than how to actually get it. I sappose i sjould have put it in the Firearms 2006 act thread and so if civ or sparks wish to move it there, as thats what i was asking about, that might be a good idea. Alternatively delete the thread. Or have a mod from extreme sports move it there!!

whupass

i am worrying about how to afford it, i have €600 i'm claiming back in tax and saved €200 in pay. oh yeah and mine aren't going on my floor they are for my wall.

whupass

yay where it belongs

moneyman

So does anyone know where you can get the cheapest airsoft guns (but not crappy ones) that ship fairy fast? Help will be appreciated ASAP.

Sparks

Seen on the ASI airsoft forum today:

ust wanted to let you all know i ordered and received a gas blow back gun from Hong Kong.I orderded it from Redwolf (great site) they have a great range of guns and will also perform power and body upgrades.
I bought a KSC Glock 18c(Full/Semi auto) with the metal slide and power upgrades.
Sent by speed post and they give you a tracking number so you can follow its progress.
My gun was opened and inspected by customs in Ireland but repackaged and sent on to me with no delays so i'd say it's safe enough for any one at this stage to buy mail order.I'm the 4th one of my friends to get a gun sent from Hong Kong and every one has arrived without a problem.

Happy Day's!!

Shigsy

Great stuff, i was just going to ask if anyone has contacted customs to see if they are letting them through with no problems or not. Right, time to buy an AEG so
I was looking at a metal AK47 on speedytoys for $109. Its a 320fps gun so its the full 1 joule. Was also looking at a G36C on the same site, 270fps and its only $35! Shipping is pricey, min of $35.
Anyone got any opinions on these guns? Maybe know of other sites selling the same AK47 cheaper?

kdouglas

Shigsy, was looking at an mp5 on speedytoys myself, saw the minimum $35 thing and thought "well, thats not TOO bad", but then when i went halfway through the checkout process, the only option for shipping it gave me was $83

Shigsy

kdouglas wrote:

Shigsy, was looking at an mp5 on speedytoys myself, saw the minimum $35 thing and thought "well, thats not TOO bad", but then when i went halfway through the checkout process, the only option for shipping it gave me was $83

Thats way too expensive. I sent the guy an email on speedytoys yesterday and asked about shipping to Ireland (Dublin) and about discounts on buying a few guns. Ill let u know what he says if he replys.

Hauk

Wow, $35 shipping for an MP5 is quite good. I bought an MP7, a box of mags, and a precision barrel, and the shipping was $59. But it was from Hong Kong...

I just think 35 is actually a good deal

Hauk

o1s1n

how about www.ebay.de ? postage from germany is generally under €17. one guy quoted me €13 on a posting a rifle to ireland. the rifle itself was a swiss arms black eagle m6 for €86.00. the only annoying thing about this is he doesnt accept paypal. as is the same with a lot of German sellers. i havent a clue why

Shigsy

Hauk wrote:

Wow, $35 shipping for an MP5 is quite good. I bought an MP7, a box of mags, and a precision barrel, and the shipping was $59. But it was from Hong Kong...

I just think 35 is actually a good deal

Hauk

Yes, $35 is reasonable enough for shipping but as the post says, it is not the actual shipping cost! If you continue as far as the credid card details page on speedytoys, the shipping comes to around $70 to ship a single AEG. I tried 3 AEG's thinking shipping might stay around the same, so I could save that way, but shipping came to about $150 which is crazy! We need to find a site that ships to Ireland cheaply.
Most ebay sellers dont seem to ship Airsoft guns outside of the US for some reason, but i didnt have a good look at .de so ill try that later today.

EDIT:
Ok, i had a look on ebay.de and there are not many airsoft AEG's on it at the moment (im only interested in new guns, not 2nd hand). The ones i did find were all 0.5 joule which is no use for me, im looking for the full 1 joule, or as close to it as i can get. Something from the 300fps - 328fps would be nice.

espinoza

Mind you: ebay.de does not allow guns, all you find there is kids crap.
egun sells guns, but you will find tons of cheap, useless toyguns from china, also. Rule of thumb: nothing less then 300 Euro is a real ASG, that you can compete on a field with. If you just need a 600g pile of cheap plastik to fondle while watching tv, these might do

kdouglas

wow... this is an old thread

there are plenty of AEG's which are very skirmish worthy for under 300euro

i have a cyma cm028 mp5-j and it has served me very well, it's now been upgraded and still going fine

the JG G36 is supposed to be very good, this month's edition of ai mag had a comparision of a dboys m4 vs a tm m4 and they were very close, the dboys is actually more powerful stock, there's the cyma ak47 (cm031 i think) havent tried it but heard alot about it.

there are alot of good clones out there, people seem to think you have to spend alot of money to get a good aeg, the truth is, it is very easy to get a cheap aeg which is just as good, in some cases better