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Alan moore's lost girls

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 356 ✭✭Tchocky


    The Onion's A.V. Club have a good long, in-depth interview with Himself

    http://www.avclub.com/content/node/51180


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭ztoical


    might be a little off topic but there's a mini war about to break out over this months comic foundry's cover in relation to moore's lost girls. Speaking as woman i don't find it offence [at least not when its looked at in context] but other women within the cartooning community are not impressed. I just don't get why a mag about comics has a photo on the cover.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 154 ✭✭Briony Noh


    Speaking as a (practically) human, I wonder what the point is. Haven't seen it, just read a review and it didn't make me want to read it. Quite the reverse. I'll bet it's beautifully written and imagine it's imaginatively illustrated, but the premise isn't enough to make me want to know more. If I want comic-book porn, I'll make my own, thank you.

    Just me, then. Ah, well ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭limey_tank


    My copy was delivered today (in a soaking wet box that had been left out in the rain for some time, thankfully the set was securely wrapped in plastic, bloody AnPost). I splashed out on the signed version too. I bought it based on an email from the publishers and actually had no clue exactly what it was going to be.

    It's very bold. I'm not sure if the GF is too impressed. I wouldn't go so far as to call it pornography, as I know Alan Moore is such a serious story teller and there's more to it than titilating images, but it sure looks like it at first glance.

    The drawings are incredible, they were done with pastel chalks and are so well reproduced I feel as if I'm going to smudge the pages if I touch them. The set is beautifully bound also.

    I haven't got the time to read it at the moment as I'm up to my neck in work.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭Jack B. Badd


    Hmmm...bash something as pornography/ultra-violence/whatever enough and it's bound to hit cult status sooner or later not on its own merits, but because of the scandal. That said, I do want to get my hands on a copy and find out if it's any good or not :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 317 ✭✭Geranium


    Hmmmm...it all seems a bit dodgy to me. Great Ormond Street hospital's copyright on peter Pan has run out recently and they're understandably worried about Wendy, who's so closely associated to the hospital, being used in this book. Just that seems a pity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭limey_tank


    I don't think there'll be enough copies sold to make an impact on Great Ormond St.

    It's hardly a mass produced novel. It's just generating a lot of noise.
    I eventually read it, it's classic Moore, makes you think and shocks you a little. I did become numb to all the images after the second book.

    It's not the best Alan Moore I've ever read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    OK , enough is enough , I like moores stuff , always have , Watchmen doesnt need any more praise from me , V for Vendetta is excellent , etc. det . but having just finished reading ( with great difficulty ) this utter and evil bile from a poisened mind I find it hard to believe that anyone could actually put their own name on this and publish it.

    The first book was OK , it kind of looked that it might actually be going somewhere , from half way though the second it was evident that this whole exercise was going to degenerate.

    When images of small children are used in this way , even in a comic , you have to question the sanity of the author and the danger he poses to society ,

    This is paedophilia , full stop.
    Its Sick , and I question that its even legal to own ,
    Ive destroyed this crap before anyone sees that I have it or have even looked at such material .

    Sick Sick Sick !!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭bombidol


    Listen.. no one ever said Alan Moore was sane or even remotely normal. I mean have you seen the bloke?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭Jack B. Badd


    Destroying books is seriously uncool :(


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    Paedophilia is paedophilia and thats all there is to this publication , I cannot see myself standing up to defend this content under any form of argument for free speech ,

    It depicts underage children enjoying being molested by adults , thats wrong in anyones book and seems to be a justification for the authors own perversities , I cannot condone it under any circumstances and cant see how anyone could ,

    I destroyed it because I honestly feel its wrong to have it , It genuinely made me feel dirty to have read it ,

    Good riddance to bad rubbish .

    I'll speak of it no more , the sooner I forget this the better !! :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭bombidol


    you could have sent it on to one of us!


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,107 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Mathias : entitled as you are to be disgusted at the book's content and dislike it, be wary of what you state or suggest about Moore based on the book and its contents. Separate the art from the artist - lines like "seems to be a justification for the authors own perversities" will only serve to get you into trouble. The fact that the story is about or incorporates depictions of paedophilia does not equate to the writer/artist being a paedophile. Let's keep the discussion on the book, otherwise I'll have to lock the thread.

    I can't offer my personal view on it as I haven't read it. If you are as disgusted as you say by this, you could write to Top Cow to express your feelings on the matter.

    Edited to add:

    I've been reading the articles linked to in this thread, and in the A.V. Club article I found the following excerpt regarding commentary such as matthias' from the man himself:

    "The thing about the underage characters… It all gets a bit silly when you're talking about characters that are made up. Alice In Wonderland is like 150, well past the age of consent. And we have a culture over here—and I'm sure in America as well—where we go in for an awful lot of pedophilic titillation, in magazines like Barely Legal, where we're told that these women are over 18, but just look young. But then we were told that about Traci Lords, weren't we? And anyway, it doesn't really matter that much, does it? The intent is still the same. Look at Britney Spears and her sexy schoolgirl imitation. What is that actually saying, and how many apparently normal men is it saying it to? We are sexualizing our children at an increasingly young age. Exposure to The Spice Girls seems to have doomed us to a Western world where every 10-year-old wants a belly-button ring and a "Porn Star" T-shirt. And we just think it's cute! "Ah, look at them! They're acting like little whores!""


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭Jack B. Badd


    Jack would have bought it for a reasonable price! Anyone know when the paperback is out btw?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 202 ✭✭John 187


    I was looking to get this book but don't think it was released in Ireland? Seen it on ebay but cheapest was €40. Is that the price I should expect to pay for this? Is it rare or hard to get hence why the price is so high? thanks to those who reply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭niall mc cann


    John 187 wrote: »
    I was looking to get this book but don't think it was released in Ireland? Seen it on ebay but cheapest was €40. Is that the price I should expect to pay for this? Is it rare or hard to get hence why the price is so high? thanks to those who reply.

    It was definitely released. My GF bought it for me for our anniversary the year before last. I'm not sure what she paid, but it looks expensive. She got it up in Dublin, in Waterstones on Dawson Street I think.

    I don't know how rare it is, but I'd imagine something as niche as this would have a fairly limited print run. The production values are amazing, though.

    It's a weird one... I don't know that it succeeds as porn, but the ideas in it are fascinating and well constructed.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,107 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    It's been released twice by now - once as a 3-book set of hardcovers in a slipcase, and subsequently as a single hardcover (I think also with a slipcase). I don't think it has been or will be out in softcover.

    €40 wouldn't be a bad price to pay for it, TBH, if it included postage.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 202 ✭✭John 187


    Thanks for the info lads, I prob wait till the next time in Dublin and have a look around for it because postage on it is pricy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    You should try abe.co.uk that's where I bought it, and it was a lot cheaper than ebay.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 202 ✭✭John 187


    Thanks for the link!


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