PS3, my lack of motivation

CiDeRmAn

I must say I don't understand why I feel quite so negative about the PS3, I mean given how we all looked forward to the PS2, even those of us clinging to our DCs, its perhaps a sign of things to come if even the early adopters who traditionally cause consoles to sell out in the early days are having trouble convincing themselves the PS3 is a worthwhile investment.
THe fact that they already have a 360 and also want a Wii could squeeze the PS3 out of the running.
I mean, if I really wanted one I could put the money aside over the next couple of weeks and buy one at launch, but I just feel that certain anxiety I usually feel at the prospective launch of a new console is missing, now perhaps when the date approaches I will get more excited, but I don't think so.
I can, indeed, see myself buying one next year, when they are a little cheaper and there is a better range of titles available, but this will be the 1st time in over 10 years that I haven't bought a new console at launch.

Now I don't know if the prohibitive price is the reason, or the lack of anything I really want in the launch line up, by comparison the 360 was also expensive although the presence of PGR3 and COD2 made the console a worthwhile purchase.

Anyway I wait to be convinced, and hope the empty feeling when I see the machine passes.

projectmayhem

i'm not exactly overly hyped either. hell, i was hyped up over the PSP more then i am over the ps3. i think the price is at fault. but having said that, when i watch those trailer reels on gamevideos or gametrailers i do get pumped up about the games.

i may not buy one at launch (i have a 360 and gaming PC to keep me happy) but i'll get one fairly quickly.

iregk

Well to me personally I'm not at all hyped over the PS3. Its nothing that isn't available already! My 360 is humming away nicely just waiting for Halo 3, Forza 2 and GOW.

I think I just felt that I got burnt with the PS2, not that it wasn't a great machine just the amount of bull that it apparently was and turned out to be marketing speel. At the moment I just feel like I can't trust Sony with regards to the PS3 and I don't see it as anything that I don't have with my 360. That and the fact there isn't a hope in hell I coudl give up XBOX Live!

the Wii on the other hand is a completely different kettle of fish. I'm not hyped over that but I'm amazingly intrigued and Ninty have my full attention here. Not something a console has done in a long time!

projectmayhem

iregk wrote:

the Wii on the other hand is a completely different kettle of fish. I'm not hyped over that but I'm amazingly intrigued and Ninty have my full attention here. Not something a console has done in a long time!

i'm the same with the wii. it could easily end up being a pile of sheizah but it's cheap, so it doesn't matter

Zapp Brannigan

Yup, I ain't really looking forward to the PS3. Mainly cos of the daunting price tag it carries. Might buy me a Premium 360 and a Wii. But probably the Wii first cos I Ninty!

Slippin Jimmy

I am not looking forward to the Ps3 either. I think mainly because of the price tag and that there are not really any good games out around the release date.

swalsh

I can't wait and will be first in q to get one. Fair enough it is expensive and the launch games don't seem to be too good but the potential this machine has is amazing. Also its network is going to be free (sony's equalivant of live!)

CiDeRmAn

Well at least there is one guy who is looking forward to it.
I reckon a lot of my lack of enthusiasm stems from getting a little jaded of the scene, owning too many machines with too many games yet to be played.
The pricing really doesn't come into it although it is quite pricey, I could habe cobbled together the cash given time, its just why?
I mean what good reason is there to buy one at this time?
Doubtless when the 1st and 2nd run of fresh software start to pop up on the shelves in the next 12-18 months I'll pick one up but as with virtually every new console I buy I end up getting about 3 titles I want and wind up thoroughly browned off with them and the machine until about 6/8 months after launch when games start to trickle onto the market again.

Yes the potential of the machine is amazing, without doubt it will be the most powerful console on the market, Sony have done nearly everything they can to make the hardware as good as it can be, the ball is now in the developers court, it's up to them to decide what concepts to green light into production, do they trot out the same old tripe, FPS, Racing games, soccer? Or can we look forward to some more high concept titles, doubtless these will appear but how long will we have to wait?

With the PS2 we were lucky, even though the launch lineup was pretty bad it still gave us Fantavision, a tech demo turned artful interactive game, could the launch of PS3 contain such surprises? We can but hope.

It really would only take one must have title to make me dig deep and buy a PS3, just the one, anyone suggest what that may be?

Ciaran500

Eye of Jugement, Resistance: Fall of Man and Warhawk are the only good looking launch titles, but TBH none of them look like they are worth buying a console for.

shortie989

I hav 2 say for a complete game junkie im excited alrite but not as much so as i was about PS2 or PSP.
I think its cos of the launch line up no real landmark games der, although resistance luks interesting i hav 2 admit.

But then i luk at the MGS4 trailer and tink "wow!! thats f***in amazing!!"
It is certainly the more powerful console as it uses better tech and revoulutionary tech, it's d only machine in d world with a Cell processor. It also has d advantage of huge storage more than 25GB! if developers want d games 2 b big den they will be big!!!:D


Here's a downer though GTA is bein developed 4 PS3 and Xbox360 at d same time that means that it won't b as huge as the Blu-Ray disc cud allow.....:mad:

I won't b buyin it at release my PSP+PC will pull me through...i'm not sure about my PS2 though dat disc readers a B**CH!!! How will i play FF:XII!!!

Call Me Jimmy

Not looking forward to the launch myself either really. I don't know ALL the launch titles but the way I look at is that I would be paying whatever the initial price is 600 euro + 80 for a game that isn't something I want to play.

When I see enough games I want to play for the console I'll get it.

In the mean time I'm getting the wii a.s.a.p because there are a number of launch titles that I'm really looking forward to.

Not getting an xbox 360 coz fight night is the only game that appeals to me and it just ain't worth the money atm pour moi.

Ciaran500

shortie989 wrote:

Here's a downer though GTA is bein developed 4 PS3 and Xbox360 at d same time that means that it won't b as huge as the Blu-Ray disc cud allow.....:mad:

No it doesn't :rolleyes:

shortys94

I cannot decide whether to buy a 360 now or wait until the PS3 releases to see what it brings....

Hopefully it produces something amazing for 600 euro... thats the only thing which would drive me to spend that much

Slippin Jimmy

shortys94 wrote:

I cannot decide whether to buy a 360 now or wait until the PS3 releases to see what it brings....

Hopefully it produces something amazing for 600 euro... thats the only thing which would drive me to spend that much

Actually tbh I was planning on buying the 360, then the Ps3 afterwards. Then the other night I was thinking will I bother with the 360 at all. After a lot of taught I came to the conclusion that I would buy both consoles, the 360 in the next few weeks. Then the Ps3, maybe around Christmas time or a bit after. I would like it for Christmas, but I wonder will the price go down? Thats the only thing really stopping me from buying it at the moment.

iregk

shortie989 wrote:

Here's a downer though GTA is bein developed 4 PS3 and Xbox360 at d same time that means that it won't b as huge as the Blu-Ray disc cud allow.....:mad:

Actually the 360 version will have more missions and content than the PS3 version due to a Microsoft exclusive deal!

skywalker

swalsh wrote:

I can't wait and will be first in q to get one. Fair enough it is expensive and the launch games don't seem to be too good but the potential this machine has is amazing. Also its network is going to be free (sony's equalivant of live!)

Going by that logic why not wait a year until the price has dropped somewhat, the games are better, and theres more of a chance of seeing whether the machines a dud or not?

projectmayhem

iregk wrote:

Actually the 360 version will have more missions and content than the PS3 version due to a Microsoft exclusive deal!

which, it must be noted, rockstar and take2 have denied. the exclusive deal, according to a r* press release sitting here somewhere says it's for "a rockstar title", which everyone with common sense seems to believe is table tennis.

monument

iregk wrote:

Actually the 360 version will have more missions and content than the PS3 version due to a Microsoft exclusive deal!

:rolleyes:

GrumPy

projectmayhem wrote:

which, it must be noted, rockstar and take2 have denied. the exclusive deal, according to a r* press release sitting here somewhere says it's for "a rockstar title", which everyone with common sense seems to believe is table tennis.

It was confirmed in a number of interviews that the exclusive content IS for GTA. I'll try find a link.

iregk

Actually it has been confirmed a number of times that exclusive content will be in GTA for the 360. The exclusive title was Table Tennis.

GrumPy

No :rolleyes: completely wrong. "episodic content" isn't a game.

iregk

You've lost us!

Burning Eclipse

I also read somewhere that it was confirmed for GTA4... Anyway, we're getting off topic here.

I won't buy one till the price drops substantially. Alot of people are talking about a Wii60... I've already got the latter part of that combo and my DS is always getting use, proving Nintendo mite have a knack for innovation

I just can't justify 630 notes for a console that has quite a poor launch lineup(and the biggest rip off of other consoles features). That said, MGS4, FFXIII and a cheaper price tag WILL persuade me to buy one eventually.

Sony have been careful to say that their network service is free, and most of their first party games might well be free, but since devs will be responsible for maintaining and providing their own servers there is less of an incentive for them to really put effort into online functions on PS3 than on 360.

Also, the first comparisons of Bluray vs HD-DVD have come out now that the same titles have been released on both formats and Bluray is taking a trashing.... I can almost smell the Betamax....

iregk

Burning Eclipse wrote:

Also, the first comparisons of Bluray vs HD-DVD have come out now that the same titles have been released on both formats and Bluray is taking a trashing.... I can almost smell the Betamax....

Not questioning this at all I'm just curious and intrigued. Where did you hear this? I haven't heard a mention of it so I'd like to know more...

Ciaran500

http://www.hdbeat.com/2006/08/05/weekend-hd-dvd-blu-ray-reviews/

Royale with Cheese

Had a ps2, never had an xbox. Played a 360 a couple of weeks back and I'm pretty much sold on that. The price of the ps3 is ridiculous.

Burning Eclipse

iregk wrote:

Not questioning this at all I'm just curious and intrigued. Where did you hear this? I haven't heard a mention of it so I'd like to know more...

http://www.highdefdigest.com/feature_blurayvshddvd_firstcomparison.html

Perhaps not a trashing... But this is more fuel to the fire....

http://www.cinenow.com/us/news-2118.html
It's mainly about optimal HD viewing but hang in till the end for Joe's thoughts on HD-DVD and BluRay...

monument

iregk wrote:

Actually it has been confirmed a number of times that exclusive content will be in GTA for the 360.

Links?

Ciaran500

monument wrote:

Links?

There was a vid of an interview with someone from Xbox Live that confirmed it just after E3. But it was up on eurogamer.tv and I can't find it

monument

And at the time it was totally dismissed by many here on boards. The pessimistic example was something said the way it was worded on the video could just mean 360 users will get downloadable content, content that simply cannot fit on a normal DVD. That it would be exclusively downloadable for 360 users, while it’ll fit on a Blu-ray disk (if they ever materialise).

There’s the clear fact that Rockstar are not confirming much of anything, and at E3 Microsoft staff were also giving denials and being cautious, all adding to the confusion.

steviec

It's too early to say. This time last year I had no interest in the 360. But then the kiosks started appearing and I played them, then more information came out on the games that were available, and suddenly I wanted one and bought one, and I haven't regretted it!

Over the next couple of months there should be far more information available on PS3 games and we'll start to get a much clearer picture. I won't be buying one because of circumstances, just as I won't be buying a Wii, but next year I'll likely be buying both, depending on how it all pans out.

CiDeRmAn

Not too sure of GTA4 then counts as the game to sell the console given that its to appear on both main trad next gen consoles, must be something else to make one want to rush out and buy a PS3,
What about a Wipeout follow up? That sold the PS1 to me, what about the next GT game? A God of War title, but then, aside from HD graphics what improvements can there possibly be?
Hmm? What indeed, 360 is here and now showing really the limitations of gaming at the mo with few improvements in games with the next gen jump aside from the graphical one which is incremental at best.
Really what can the PS3 do in real terms that the 360 will just scratcg its head at? Have we reached an impass where developers imaginations have simply run out of steam, that they lack the needed imagination to push content on the new formats to new heights and instead just reheat existing genre staples?
Could it be that kids this Christmas will simply want a PSP or DS lite and not bother with the big box by the telly, thats the sort of feedback I've got from mates in the business, that instead of seeing the PS3 as the next big thing after the PS2, that the PSP is seen to have taken up the Playstation brand, that could have a negative affect on sales this Christmas, given that PSP stock is not selling like it should and the DS lite together with Mario is flying out the door, a situation that even the biggest Ninty Fanboy would have been hardpressed to predict.

LookingFor

Sony's been very quiet since E3, so I think that may be part of your lack of hype. From the Tokyo Game Show onwards, things should start cranking up in a big way.

Oh, and for those doing so, it's a bit hard to judge the launch lineup at this point. See how things turn out in November. There seems to be a large number of titles coming, though, and it looks like a good mix of exclusive versus multiplatform content.

projectmayhem

LookingFor wrote:

Sony's been very quiet since E3, so I think that may be part of your lack of hype. From the Tokyo Game Show onwards, things should start cranking up in a big way.

since you mentioned tgs... it's worth pointing out there's big talk of sony pulling out all the stops this year, and are going to announce something (or maybe more then one thing) that'll blow people away and justify the cost of the machine. may also seem that a lot of the horrendous rants by sony execs were done on purpose to generate strange responses from the press (sony are known media manipulators) and then to go silent before tgs... then make the €600 price look good.

we'll have to wait and see i suppose

LookingFor

I wouldn't expect one single thing that suddenly 'justifies the cost' for every man, woman and child on earth For some, it's already justified, for others it's not.

I do expect a good show in terms of content and details on things like the online service etc. That's really all they've gotta do - let the machine speak for itself and just keep showing more and more games. Ultimately, that's what every Playstation has proven itself on, the games.

Batesy

Anyone have a list of games rumoured to be available at launch?

Ciaran500

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2005/07/playstation-3-launch-games-confirmed.html



Eye of jugement
Genji 2
Resistance - fall of man
Warhawk
Armoured Core 4

They are the rumoured to be the main ones and should have the latest versions of the EA sports games out with it aswell. Should get a final list at TGS

Blowfish

shortie989 wrote:

it's d only machine in d world with a Cell processor.

The pedant in me wants to point out that IBM have Cell based blade servers up and running.

LookingFor wrote:

I wouldn't expect one single thing that suddenly 'justifies the cost' for every man, woman and child on earth

Well for me, it would be Linux. If Sony managed to pull the finger out and did actually get a fully functional version of Linux on there, then the PS3 could do everything your PC can, only it will play Playstation games instead of PC ones. This means that you are almost getting an overpowered PC for the price, as well as a playstation.

It would also mean that homebrew is pretty much guaranteed, since all of the tools will be included by default.

"Because we have plans for having Linux on board [the PS3], we also recognize Linux programming activities… Other than game studios tied to official developer licenses, we'd like to see various individuals participate in content creation for the PS3."
—Izumi Kawanishi on the presence of Linux in the PS3.

Ciaran500

Blowfish wrote:

This means that you are almost getting an overpowered PC for the price, as well as a playstation.

But it only has 256mb of System ram. Great for a games console but limiting for running a OS on.

Blowfish

Ciaran500 wrote:

But it only has 256mb of System ram. Great for a games console but limiting for running a OS on.

Indeed, KDE and Gnome are both resource hogs, lets just hope Sony manage to offload as much as possible onto the gfx. Thats the bit i'm waiting to find out, before deciding whether or not to get one

The other thing which would be interesting is that there are already nes and snes emulators for Linux, so essentially people can use the oldies from Nintendo for free (though not legally), which Nintendo are planning on charging for.

LookingFor

Batesy wrote:

Anyone have a list of games rumoured to be available at launch?

From what I can tell, these are likely in 2006 (a couple are probably likely only in Japan, like Mahjong and Armoured Core 4):

Fatal Inertia
Mahjong Taikai
Bladestorm: Hundred Years War
Motorstorm
Genji: Days of the Blade
Resistance: Fall of Man
The Eye of Judgement
Singstar
Formula One 06
Mobile Suit Gundam: Target in Sight
Ridge Racer 7
Armored Core 4
Call of Duty 3
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Tony Hawk's Project 8
Madden NFL 07
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
Need For Speed Carbon
NBA Live 07
EA Fight Night Round 3
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Full Auto 2: Battlelines
Sonic The Hedgehog
World Pool Championship 2007
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
College Hoops 2K7
NHL 2K7
F.E.A.R.

F.E.A.R. was just announced a short time ago today. I'd expect more announcements soon. Other notable possibilities or rumours that I'm not so sure on - Warhawk, Oblivion, Splinter Cell Double Agent, GRAW.

About Linux and RAM - I'd expect it'll work out of the 256MB of Cell's memory 90% of the time. Cell has limited access to the GDDR3. On the upside, that 256MB does have a lot more bandwidth than PC memory would, so there may be some performance gain there. I'm not too concerned about it, I'd say the distribution they put together will bear in mind the system's resources. In the end it'll be by far the cheapest point of entry for programming on Cell (and the only way to program on PS3). You can get a Cell accelerator board for PC now, but it's like $8k or something.