Creationist museum!!! 25 million dollar museum at that

stevejazzx

Creationist museum almost finished (with robotic dinosaurs)

http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/


This featured in an rte programme on sunday called 'Story of God'.

'Creation Museum' Seeks to Disprove Evolution, Paleontology, Geology (From fox news
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,206456,00.html?sPage=fnc.science/evolution

The museums curators Mr. Ken Ham reckons wait for it

"Dinosaurs roamed the earth with people" he goes on "the bible just doesn't mention them as with many other species" he finishes with "noah did bring them on the ark, the small ones and maybe a few fossils".

Very tempted to throw in a bill hicks bt at this stage,...ah what the hell

bill hicks wrote:

You know the world's 12 thousand years old and dinosaurs existed, they existed in that time, you'd think it would have been mentioned in the ****ing Bible at some point. "And lo Jesus and the disciples walked to Nazareth. But the trail was blocked by a giant brontosaurus... with a splinter in his paw. And O the disciples did run a shriekin': 'What a big ****ing lizard, Lord!' But Jesus was unafraid and he took the splinter from the brontosaurus's paw and the big lizard became his friend. And Jesus sent him to Scotland where he lived in a loch for O so many years inviting thousands of American tourists to bring their fat ****ing families and their fat dollar bills.And oh Scotland did praise the Lord. Thank you Lord, thank you Lord. Thank you Lord."
"Get this, I actually asked one of these guys, OK, Dinosaurs fossils - how does that fit into you scheme of life? Let me sit down and strap in. He said, "Dinosaur fossils? God put those there to test our faith." I think God put you here to test my faith, Dude. You believe that? "uh huh." Does that trouble anyone here? The idea that God.. might be.. ****in' with our heads? I have trouble sleeping with that knowledge. Some prankster God running around: "Hu hu ho. We will see who believes in me now, ha ha." [mimes God burying fossils] "I am God, I am a prankster." "I am killing Me."

Meanwhile in switzerland scientists are building a multi million euro construction due to be finished in the year 2009 which will (attempt) recreate what happened just nano seconds after big bang

http://www.pnl.gov/er_news/02_98/art2.htm


now i wonder which project deserves the most encouragement?

Beruthiel

stevejazzx wrote:

now i wonder which project deserves the most encouragement?

Not to mention which one deserves the big bucks to keep it going

stevejazzx

.....and i think independant christian fundamentalist funding outways independant scientific funding a gazillion to one

robindch

> .....and i think independant christian fundamentalist funding
> outways independant scientific funding a gazillion to one

The american spend on religious industries is estimated to be somewhere between around sixty and ninety billion dollars per year. Unlike regular businesses and taxpayers, institutions of religion in the US are tax-free and I believe that none are required to file any kind of financial reports, so the exact annual spend is impossible to pin down.

For comparison, NASA receiveds around fifteen billion dollars per year and CERN, around 900 million dollars, so your comment is not inaccurate for small values of a 'gazillion'

ScumLord

At least it'll mean the US Christians have less money to spend on automatic riffles to go hunting ducks or protecting there little houses from strangers and tornadoes.

It's funny that their museum is in direct competition with science yet none of the fancy gizmo's in the museum would work if science was a load of baloney.

stevejazzx

robindch wrote:

> .....and i think independant christian fundamentalist funding
> outways independant scientific funding a gazillion to one

The american spend on religious industries is estimated to be somewhere between around sixty and ninety billion dollars per year. Unlike regular businesses and taxpayers, institutions of religion in the US are tax-free and I believe that none are required to file any kind of financial reports, so the exact annual spend is impossible to pin down.

For comparison, NASA receiveds around fifteen billion dollars per year and CERN, around 900 million dollars, so your comment is not inaccurate for small values of a 'gazillion'

Was talking about independant funding i.e non govermental non offical
Of course science would recieve enormous offical funding every year, that wasn't my point. My point was that in the US fundamentalist funding from regualr people, apparently casual funding, like say at huge meeting where a preacher is employed, is a huge business although it is still seen as independant and therefore non regulated funding for the church.
Science has nothing like this to raise funds, which is a great shame.

Robindch your posts seem to invariably lead to disagreement, have you noticed that?

robindch

> Was talking about independant funding i.e non govermental non offical

Sorry -- I was referring to net intake only, and not where it was coming from. Though it could be said that at a nominal 33% tax rate, that the government is implicitly funding religion at somewhere between 20B$ and 30B$ per year.

> Science has nothing like this to raise funds, which is a great shame.

In the sense that there are no mass gatherings, yes, I agree, but would people donate the sums needed if there were? I doubt it: it's difficult enough to get people to attend any scientific meeting at all, without the added disincentive that they might be patted down on the way out!

Some are non-governmental outfits do invest in research (ie, the Wellcome Trust, at around $600m per year), but I'd imagine that the total amounts from these are much smaller than the grants from the world's governments.

> Robindch your posts seem to invariably lead to disagreement

Um, I was agreeing with you!

stevejazzx

robindch wrote:

> Was talking about independant funding i.e non govermental non offical

Sorry -- I was referring to net intake only, and not where it was coming from. Though it could be said that at a nominal 33% tax rate, that the government is implicitly funding religion at somewhere between 20B$ and 30B$ per year.

> Science has nothing like this to raise funds, which is a great shame.

In the sense that there are no mass gatherings, yes, I agree, but would people donate the sums needed if there were? I doubt it: it's difficult enough to get people to attend any scientific meeting at all, without the added disincentive that they might be patted down on the way out!

Some are non-governmental outfits do invest in research (ie, the Wellcome Trust, at around $600m per year), but I'd imagine that the total amounts from these are much smaller than the grants from the world's governments.

> Robindch your posts seem to invariably lead to disagreement

Um, I was agreeing with you!

good as long as were in agreement....lol

Dades

Hands up who wants to visit the:

Bible Authority Room
The Bible is true. No doubt about it! Paul explains God’s authoritative Word, and everyone who rejects His history—including six-day creation and Noah’s Flood—is ‘willfully’ ignorant.

Looks like a great day out!

Beruthiel

The Bible is true

lol
What's their thoughts on the fact it was written 300 years later, or is that a lie?

stevejazzx

can't decide whether its oxymoronic or just moronic

beruthiel
http://www.carm.org/bible/biblewhen.htm

http://www.ibs.org/bibles/about/3.php

http://www.allabouttruth.org/when-was-the-bible-written-faq.htm

Zillah

Ow.

W00t for CERN though.

stevejazzx

June 14, 2000 — The first spectacular images of atoms smashing together at near-light speed were released Wednesday as part of an experiment scientists say will eventually generate a state of matter that existed a millionth of a second after the Big Bang. A milestone in physics, the researchers’ effort has also generated heated debate and several doomsday theories — including one that argues the experiment might release particles called “strangelets,” which could gobble the earth


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/sci_nat_enl_1134988687/html/1.stm

please don't gobble the earth though

UU

It's sorta funny in that my sister bought a book the other day on Irish Fables and Myths. In reading it to her, it occured to me how nobody believes that Irish myths like "The Children Of Lir" to be true and yet dozens of brainless Creationists actually believe such crap from the Bible. Sure, the Earth was created in six days and the Earth is only 5,000 years old? As if!!! They only believe Genesis story to be true because it's in the bible. If it wasn't, they'd probably be the first ones to deny it as false.

Then again, George Bush and his right-wing conservatives are Creationists anyway.

Schuhart

It's like life immitating art. The site reads like the Onion's Intelligent Falling parody, only its for real.

I cannot belief that people are able to subscribe to this view of life without making a conscious decision to be irrational.

5uspect

Wouldn't it be funny if the whole Answers in Genesis thing was a big hoax. A sort of FSM only instead of parodying creationism it pretended to be creationism. They would make up all their ridiculous arguements and let everyone swallow them all while collecting millions in donations. Then when they finally open their great museum (well theme park really) that contains all the evidence for creationism its just a big empty shed.

that would be nice... mmm whats that... BANG!... ouch, oh its the real world

robindch

> Wouldn't it be funny if the whole Answers in Genesis thing was a big hoax.

A nice idea, but unlikely given how much money our dear (honorary) Dr Ham is making out of it!

In my more cynical moments, I have, like most people I suspect, thought about setting up as an astrologist or cosmic healer or homeopathist or creationist myself. All you need is a flexible set of morals, a sense of opportunity and no discenable talent other than an ability to approach things with an open mouth...

lostexpectation

apart from darwinism/creationism what would go into athiest museum, is there any athiest rock art?

stevejazzx

lostexpectation wrote:

apart from darwinism/creationism what would go into athiest museum, is there any athiest rock art?

fossils, pornography, alcohol, dinosaurs and a pool table.

5uspect

stevejazzx wrote:

fossils, pornography, alcohol, dinosaurs and a pool table.

A science fiction section with all that psuedo science... and a dart board

Dades

And monkeys... lots of monkeys.

lostexpectation

what do monkeys have to with athiestism

googles athiest musuem

"Breakfast local-style at the hotel, with champagne, caviar, and freshly made pancakes, and then head west up Nevsky, crossing the Kanal Griboedova, with its excellent view of the "Savior on the Blood" Church and the impressive Kazan Cathedral, converted under the communists into an atheist museum. Petersburg is built on more than 40 islands, leading to its reputation as the "Venice of the North." As you head further up Nevsky you'll cross yet another waterway, the Moika River. "

http://www.skepticfiles.org/american/whyneed.htm
13. Separating, in the public view, the notion of any
relation between the political position of communism and
the life-style of Atheism. This was accomplished by
popularizing the term "American Atheist." Atheists no
longer need to live under the dreadful stigma of the
McCarthy era of our nation, when every Atheist was branded
with the political label of communism.

there is american athiest museum in petersburg indiana but I can't find anything else on it.


random thing remember the wiccan soldier http://www.njatheist.org:81/images/Photos/Army%20Atheists/Hetmans-Dogtags.jpg

look at the fun we're missing out on http://www.njatheist.org:81/atheistareasofinterest.html

http://consummated.livejournal.com/14770.html

here is a museum to non-christiam persecution http://www.michiganatheists.org/events/caro/caro.html
but it seems a little antagonistic/victimish but maybe that is useful.

Dades

lostexpectation wrote:

what do monkeys have to with athiestism

Disown your monkey cousins, would you? Shame on you.

They'd be hurt if they weren't so busy on their typewriters.

5uspect

Damn your speciesism, the museum will contain two of every kind!

Scofflaw

5uspect wrote:

Damn your speciesism, the museum will contain two of every kind!

Hmm. We'll need gopher wood then...lots of gopher wood.

cordially,
Scofflaw

lostexpectation

are monkeys athiests? huh?

condra

Why is everyone always so calm in these forums? This kinda stuff makes my blood boil.

robindch

> Why is everyone always so calm in these forums?

Try the creationist thread. That's where we let our hair down

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=316566

Zillah

womoma wrote:

Why is everyone always so calm in these forums?

Because we're open minded and have little vested interest in our beliefs. Aside from that, we've derived our beliefs from rationality rather than emotion and hence we lack a knee-jerk reaction to opposing views.

That and the fact that some of us have a secret hope for the endless potential of humanity. :rolleyes:

*In my vision a child looks at a history book. In it she sees an ancient image of a huge church, filled with crosses and a single tyranical preacher. She rolls her eyes and flicks to another page*

stevejazzx

Zillah wrote:

. :rolleyes:

*In my vision a child looks at a history book. In it she sees an ancient image of a huge church, filled with crosses and a single tyranical preacher. She rolls her eyes and flicks to another page*

nice