Leaving a table

Duff Man Jr.

Do people have a target to reach when playing online cash games, Chris Ferguson says when you double your buy in and then leave. Do people follow this or just stay while the gettins good?

Brendygg

I do this some times as you dont tend to get as much action wit a large stack.at
50-1 if i get to 250 i usually move table.

ChipLdr

There's 2 ways to look at this IMO. If you feel you are going to lose the money you've made through beats etc then leave. However if you feel you can control the table more with a bigger stack then definately stay and push ppl around.Its amazing how much it drives ppl crazy and they'll pay you off when you hit big.

I usually only leave a table if i've been lucky to win the money (like 5 mins ago) but if there's a raising LAG on the table i'll stay to either one of us goes bust cuz thats the best chance of winning BIG.

Another reason to leave when up is that ppl become looser with more chips in front of them and call with hands they'd usually fling to the muck.They end up paying off superior hands and sudddenly find themselves back where they started. I've been guilty of this many a time after i've caught the K with KJ and end up paying off KQ Ak etc.

I dont believe there is a set point to pack up and leave becuse if you feel you're the best at the table then stay and capitalize.

BrokenArrows

I dont have a set rule of when to leave a table but if im in a decent ammount of profit and have been sitting at the same ammount for a long period and getting no action i will move table.

I will also move if i have got a very large stack and feel myself gradually pissing it away as said above.

MrPillowTalk

Ferguson is 100% wrong on this one.

in an online cash game where the buyin is capped getting a big stack is one of the very best things that can happen.

Having the big stack allows you to run over the rest of the table with ease, in omaha it is an even bigger edge.

Its hard to explain (or at least it is fro me) but having the big stack basically dictates the way your oppinents play against you, their continuation bets become less effective against you because your stack allows for the third resteal raise. When I have a big stack I am open raising most pots which means opponents have to commit larger ammounts of their stacks pre but I can afford to call even with a worse hand, now when they continuation bet the flop it will be for a stack relative much higher ammount and therefore you can get them to commit their whole stack to the pot just because you made them play a little bigger pre flop, yet you are still only commiting a nominal sum pre flop relative to your own stack.

I think I am doing a bad job of explaining this.

Simplest way of explaining it is if I get a big stack eg 4500 in a 1500 capped buyin game then it is a hell of a lot easier to turn that 4500 into 9k than the 1500 into 4500.

jimbling

Leaving the table every time you double up is pure insanity. Where is this quote from?? I guess it depends on who he's giving the advice too.
I mean some players (specifically beginners, in low limits) tend to get overly passive when they have a big stack and pretty much always lose it again. That is, they play correct ABC poker with normal stack and turn into a fish with a big stack. That is the only reason I can think to use this strategy.

having a big stack at a cash table is the best possible situation. As mrpillowtalk has already explained it makes runing over the table a hell of a lot easier. Once you get 3/4*buy-in everyone is afraid of you, but at the same time you tend to get paid off easier on the hands you want.

Mr. Flibble

I don't understand how having the big stack helps you run over the table. Is it just a psychological thing where players think you must be good because you've built a large stack? I mean its a cash game - having to commit a smaller % of your stack compared to your opponants means nothing, it being the same amount of real money..?

Is there any benifit having a 5k stack at a table where everyone else has a 1500 (max buyin) stack?

MrPillowTalk

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I don't understand how having the big stack helps you run over the table. Is it just a psychological thing where players think you must be good because you've built a large stack? I mean its a cash game - having to commit a smaller % of your stack compared to your opponants means nothing, it being the same amount of real money..?

Is there any benifit having a 5k stack at a table where everyone else has a 1500 (max buyin) stack?

Im not very good at explaining but here goes

I make it 70 with any bag o ****e

Somone with a half decent hand raises to say 250 this is where we start to play poker.

now lets say I flat call we see a flop with 500 in the middle, now if i think its a bad flop for my opponent then I can fire a 400 bet without being pot commited if he happens to have a hand and comes over the top. But the best thing is that if the opponent fires a continution bet which they usually will then its probably going to be in the 300 - 500 region meaning that it is quite hard for them to get away for the rest of their stack because they have put upwards of 30% of their stack in the middle allready.

I dont know if this makes any sense I know what Im trying to say but Im not sure if I am articulate enough to put it accross

BrokenArrows

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Is there any benifit having a 5k stack at a table where everyone else has a 1500 (max buyin) stack?

Totally.

Take any situation where you wish to push someone off a pot. The same bet against someone with a 1500 stack v's a 5000 stack is huge.

Also going heads up against a player who has 1/3 your stack has a great physiological advantage.

Ive been playing alot of live cash games over the past 2 months and when i move up from $200 to the around $800 mark the game becomes alot easier. I find it easier to throw away marginal hands and not get involved because i can afford to just sit back and pay my blinds round after round till i get the situation i like. Thats just the way i play big stack. I also find it alot easier to steal the pots that get checked around to me. When people see you make a large bet they know you are stealing it but just dont want to get involved with someone who has that kind of stack when they dont have a decent hand. And even if a bluff goes horribly wrong it does not mean the end of the world.

But i see alot of other large stacks who play totally differently from when they first bought in. I know some guy who starts playing anything from any position and starts raising preflop with good hands and terrible hands. It makes him very hard to read and it works very well for him. He seems to be able to pick the perfect time to show his BS hands and then gets people to call him all the way when he has the nuts.

Mr. Flibble

I can see that its pschologically difficult to fold when you have a large % of your stack in the pot but it shouldn't have any effect at all.
I understand that deep stacked poker is different but its only deep play if your opponant is deep too.

If you bet 500 into a 500 pot and are called by a player who only leaves himself 400 behind you are pot commited every bit as much as he.

Mr. Flibble

BrokenArrows wrote:

Totally.

Take any situation where you wish to push someone off a pot. The same bet against someone with a 1500 stack v's a 5000 stack is huge.

I don't get it.

BrokenArrows wrote:

Also going heads up against a player who has 1/3 your stack has a great physiological advantage.

This I get.

BrokenArrows wrote:

And even if a bluff goes horribly wrong it does not mean the end of the world.

But it means the same. Its real money, not tourament chips. If a bluff goes horribly wrong when you are shorter stacked you can just top up.

BrokenArrows wrote:

But i see alot of other large stacks who play totally differently from when they first bought in. I know some guy who starts playing anything from any position and starts raising preflop with good hands and terrible hands. It makes him very hard to read and it works very well for him. He seems to be able to pick the perfect time to show his BS hands and then gets people to call him all the way when he has the nuts.

This seems like he is affected by playing with what he sees as other peoples money. He feels like he can be more liberal if he, as he sees it, has nothing to loose.

Duff Man Jr.

I totally get what you mean about a big stack, I guess thats the way to go.

Ferguson said it on a Full Tilt podcast or the cardplayer raido, cant remember which.