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2 Queeny hands

  • 04-08-2006 2:26pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭


    1/2 PPP. No software running, so no stats on 'em.

    HAND 1
    Villain has $150..he seems a little sloppy, min raising no cont bets on flop etc.
    He makes it makes it $6 from UTG..I make it $20 on button with QQ
    Headsup on a flop of
    964 two tone

    He bets $15 ..I make $70..He calls

    River 3...He checks I go all-in....He calls


    HAND 2
    I have $300. villain has $ 200 and has just joined table and has not played a hand in his first orbit...
    Folded to villain on button He makes it $8, I call from BB with QQ

    flop 774 twotone.

    I check, he bets 15..I makes it $50...He calls...

    Turn is a 2(not flush card) I go all in(pot sized)...HE calls


    Thoughts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭AmarilloFats


    Bump.
    Oh not as interesting as a WSOP hand then eh...

    Just cause it's not a 10/20 hand ..Or I'm not Hj or Fuzz or whoever..

    Chaming ... :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    Lol,
    Hand 1:
    It depends on the villain really to say if it’s a good push or not.
    Basically if villain is likely to call with more hands that you beat than hands that beat you then its good play. also the fact that villain only has another 70 left anyway and the pot is around 150/160 then you cant be making that big of a mistake really.
    As I said though this is very villain dependent.if your playing a decent player then your play sucks for all sort of reasons mainly that your often behind here.

    Hand 2:
    Awful push.
    Judging by these two hands you think as long as you hold an over pair to the board then your hand is deffo good.this is a huge mistake and your bound to lose a lot of money this way.
    What do you expect to get called with there when you push?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭AmarilloFats


    thanks gholi.
    Well in hand 1 villain had 89 and I win
    In hand 2 villain had KK and I lose..

    What alternative lines do you propose for hand 2??
    I don't like a raise PF.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    I don't like a raise PF.

    Why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭willis


    Hand 1: I check behind on turn. I think we are beat or face JJ,maybe 1010. See what he does on the river. Your big reraise on flop however means were effectively pot committed as villain only has 60left

    Hand 2: Just sums up being OOP. I cant figure out what the best line here is either


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    thanks gholi.


    What alternative lines do you propose for hand 2??
    I don't like a raise PF.
    a reraise in indeed what you need to be doing.
    it has all sort of advantages.
    a cobination of a reraise pre flop and a lead on the flop here could have saved you from getting stacked.mind you ,you should never have gotten stack even with the line you took.
    over pair to the board is not always the best hand post flop.specially if it wasnt the best hand pre-flop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭AmarilloFats


    fuzzbox wrote:
    Why?
    MM cause I don't like where he could lead me...

    OK i think this comes down to respect...I was not paying attention and just assumed he would stack off with 99+(like alot of plyers) and maybe he wud but he had KK this time...


    1/2 on Party....I have $500 villain covers
    I played QQ against a guy i respect from the BB
    It went something like He raised from UTG...he multi tables and is tight
    range ATs+ 99+.
    I called from BB w/ QQ

    Flop is 345r ($20)

    I check call his $14 bet
    Turn is a 4 (pot ~ 48)
    I check call his $34 bet


    River is another 4

    I lead for 3/4 pot.......And will fold to a push

    U like better????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭shoutman


    I would definately Re-raise on hand two as I think it can give you more information as to whether or not the opponent has been simply making a move or has a premium hand.

    I mean Folded around to you on a button what hands would you raise x4 with, I'm sure some of us would say as far down as Mid Pocket Pair, However if you did that and then were reraised to say 25 would you be willing to put in 17 more to see a flop and hopefully hit your set?

    I think if you had done this and were called you could narrow down his hands to possibly AA down to AQ maybe...
    Now I realise some people may call this knowing that you have position on the player who reraised but I think A continuation bet from the Hero on the flop would put more doubts into the mind of the villain, and if he did have a premium hand play it safely from there....

    Thats my thoughts on it anyway, please feel free to pick away and criticize my thought process as much as possible


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭AmarilloFats


    Gholimoli wrote:
    over pair to the board is not always the best hand post flop.specially if it wasnt the best hand pre-flop.

    Ha Brilliant, I like that.
    OK....
    So you would reraise to what preflop???? $30
    And when the flop came 774 with 2 diamundos ..And you then lead for $50...

    And then fold to his push? Don't like it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭shoutman


    Ha Brilliant, I like that.
    OK....
    So you would reraise to what preflop???? $30
    And when the flop came 774 with 2 diamundos ..And you then lead for $50...

    And then fold to his push? Don't like it...


    Why dont ya like it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    Ha Brilliant, I like that.
    OK....
    So you would reraise to what preflop???? $30
    And when the flop came 774 with 2 diamundos ..And you then lead for $50...

    And then fold to his push? Don't like it...
    if you dont like it why are you asking for openions then.
    you toke the line that you "liked" and saw where it got you.
    do the same next time.
    keep pushing with your QQ on 77xx boards ,you will make lots of money soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    shoutman wrote:
    Why dont ya like it?
    becuase its a seen apparently, folding an over pair no matter how hard villain tries to tell you that its no good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭AmarilloFats


    shoutman wrote:
    I mean Folded around to you on a button what hands would you raise x4 with, I'm sure some of us would say as far down as Mid Pocket Pair
    LOL

    And the rest..
    He could have nearly any 2 here..
    If I reraise PF the pots starts to get big earlier, therefore most of the poker gets played on flop.

    EG : If I make it 30 PF and bet 40-50ish on flop......I've commited 40% of my stack...
    It's akin to putting your micky on a chopping board.

    NOte: I don't like the way I played it neither...


    Alot of the time he will have TT JJ flush draw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    LOL


    If I reraise PF the pots starts to get big earlier, therefore most of the poker gets played on flop.

    there must be some hidden point in there that im failing to get.
    also what the hell does "most of the poker gets played on flop " mean?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭AmarilloFats


    Gholimoli wrote:
    becuase its a seen apparently, folding an over pair no matter how hard villain tries to tell you that its no good.


    Hey relax..I really appreciate the responses.
    What's a "seen apparently"??

    I asked for your opinion, you gave it. Cool so far.
    Now I comment on your response. Ok
    No you think my comment was bitchy....:confused:

    I posted 2 hands in one I stacked a guy I had QQ he had 89 on a 9 hi flop..
    This is the standard of player we are talking about here! are we not.

    Is there a line that doesn't require me to put 40% of my stack in and then fold on a 774(wonderful) flop!!!???

    Thanks a million

    PS. _ gholi, what hand would you be willing to commit your 100BB on a 774 flop? Against a PPP player? Don't hate me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭shoutman



    Is there a line that doesn't require me to put 40% of my stack in and then fold on a 774(wonderful) flop!!!???

    You said you had 300 and If you played it like i had you would have put thirty preflop and 50 on the flop thats 80/300 Its just about 27%

    And what makes you think that every time you put in a continuation bet your opponent is going to push?

    In that instance he may just have pushed because he had kk and had you beat so you fold, do you think if your opponent had JJ/10 10 he would push as well? I honestly dont think a decent player would do that, being reraised preflop then having his opponent bet near pot again....
    Now I can see why a check raise is good in this position but it has a totally different effect if you dont reraise preflop imo.


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