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Scalp my Bi**h up.....
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04-08-2006 2:19pm#1
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That Melinn lad knows how to have a good timeollyk1 wrote:
Olly's ass is so big that the only way he gets chips is the pull of gravity!!!!0 -
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Such optimism, obviously based on the assumption that J to the P won't be particpating. However said assumption would be wrong y'all, and Pablo is gonna be there with the full intention of taking this down. Naturally I'll pour a 40oz on the kerb for all my fallen homies after I knock each of you out and win the tournie. I will take extra pleasue knocking out Poker & Pints after he stole Dmitri Nobles from under my (slow typing) nose in the last longest thread. Bring it on cock-a-roaches!
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I did however use your chips quite effectivly and 3 of us chopped it up...(and I was shortstack outta the 3 ....only 90k or so...)
it did get a little silly when the big stack had under 200k and the blinds were hitting 5000 - 10000....
but well...its turned my year right around
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Lazare wrote:Unlucky last hand last night Olly, don't know whether Strewelpeter had a great read on you to make that call or whether he just gambled (fill me in Strewelpeter). I had the last longest cash in my wallet and all when the aforementioned Strewelpeter announced that he was still in the running for it too, not to worry, I was confident. Next hand I look down at Queens, end up with Nic comin over the top of my raise with A J, all the chips in the middle and Nic spikes an Ace on the river. It was adios amigos, and adios last longest bet:(ollyk1 wrote:I wasn't happy with how my last hand went down, from the dealers actions and the crowd seeming to get involved in the hand but what are you going to do. Thems the breaks I guess.
I fought so bloody hard last night to stay in there. I never went above 6k for 2 hours after the break and then started to get a few double ups through Nick and others and was up to 21k and in with a shout if that AK hand had gotten though that's what makes it painful really .
Very unlucky with the queens and the LL Lazare I was especially delighted to make off with the last longest money which I doubled up on the cash table considering the misery I inflicted on myself.
I'd been sitting to Olly's right all night and he'd been playing a game that I'm all too familiar with...nursing a small stack between a Rock (me) and a hard place (Nic 
) . Olly had picked his spots well and had mostly shown strong hands, maybe one bluff. I was limping with J8s and once he pushed on a flop with an 8 in it I had to decide if I was ahead or not. I was delaying trying to make it clear that I had a small part of the flop to see if I could figure if he wanted the call or not. I wasn't paying attention to any other goings on and when I checked with the dealer what I had to put in it was looking for a reaction from Olly rather than for anyone to explain to me that it was a value call. (I've been doin' sums for a long time now). At that stage and for that size of pot, value wouldn't be the biggest consideration for me. I did want to think I was ahead calling.
Anyway (to answer Lazares question) I was trying to get a read but might as well been looking up a cows hole as trying to figure out whether Olly wanted a call or not. I won't pretend that I got a read from Olly getting involved with the dealer - really I'm not that sophisticated
Trying to figure out what you had I can only put you 50/50 for pushing with a pair or a drawing hand. Pairs have been shown the last few time. The only other thing I was thinking was that if i was you I'd have raised from there with a big Ace.
In the end I decided if you want a call you don't push in that spot.
Anyway that was a long and complicated way of saying that that I was gambling that I was ahead.
Olly wasn'tt down the stairs when I raised into Nic with A8s and I was always calling his (inevitable) all in he was K hi and found a K on the flop and I double him off on his way to the prize.
That was the difference between a monster stack and a playable one. Soon after I made the most horrible play of the month when utg went all in for about 12 - 15K, I was utg+1 and instead of being decisive in either pushing everyone else out or folding my AQs I elected to limp this brought in five (5! ) limpers and a flop and turn with zillions of outs that cost me another two entries into a monster pot to find out that a str8 was flopped by (? another boardsie) who ended up in the last three with Nic.
That was more or less it for me and when the blinds hit 2/4K I button raised K10 into Ronans 10 10 just one off the bubble.
As always a good and enjoyable tourney, I was dissapointed to go out so close to the money but I managed to bring home more than 8th and 9th place money over the night.
I'll look forward to being able to get along to it again soon.0 -
strewelpeter wrote:Very unlucky with the queens and the LL Lazare I was especially delighted to make off with the last longest money which I doubled up on the cash table considering the misery I inflicted on myself.
I'd been sitting to Olly's right all night and he'd been playing a game that I'm all too familiar with...nursing a small stack between a Rock (me) and a hard place (Nic ) . Olly had picked his spots well and had mostly shown strong hands, maybe one bluff. I was limping with J8s and once he pushed on a flop with an 8 in it I had to decide if I was ahead or not. I was delaying trying to make it clear that I had a small part of the flop to see if I could figure if he wanted the call or not. I wasn't paying attention to any other goings on and when I checked with the dealer what I had to put in it was looking for a reaction from Olly rather than for anyone to explain to me that it was a value call. (I've been doin' sums for a long time now). At that stage and for that size of pot, value wouldn't be the biggest consideration for me. I did want to think I was ahead calling.
Anyway (to answer Lazares question) I was trying to get a read but might as well been looking up a cows hole as trying to figure out whether Olly wanted a call or not. I won't pretend that I got a read from Olly getting involved with the dealer - really I'm not that sophisticated
Trying to figure out what you had I can only put you 50/50 for pushing with a pair or a drawing hand. Pairs have been shown the last few time. The only other thing I was thinking was that if i was you I'd have raised from there with a big Ace.
In the end I decided if you want a call you don't push in that spot.
Anyway that was a long and complicated way of saying that that I was gambling that I was ahead.
Olly wasn'tt down the stairs when I raised into Nic with A8s and I was always calling his (inevitable) all in he was K hi and found a K on the flop and I double him off on his way to the prize.
That was the difference between a monster stack and a playable one. Soon after I made the most horrible play of the month when utg went all in for about 12 - 15K, I was utg+1 and instead of being decisive in either pushing everyone else out or folding my AQs I elected to limp this brought in five (5! ) limpers and a flop and turn with zillions of outs that cost me another two entries into a monster pot to find out that a str8 was flopped by (? another boardsie) who ended up in the last three with Nic.
That was more or less it for me and when the blinds hit 2/4K I button raised K10 into Ronans 10 10 just one off the bubble.
As always a good and enjoyable tourney, I was dissapointed to go out so close to the money but I managed to bring home more than 8th and 9th place money over the night.
I'll look forward to being able to get along to it again soon.
I wasn't talking about the postflop play or speech play Peter. That's poker and more then fair enough. And just in case I'm not clear I wasn't having a go at you at all btw.
I raised utg preflop 3.5 BB and Nick called me. You arrived back from the bathroom just before your BB is mucked (something I bloody hate as I'm a big fan of the SE rule of mucking if you are not at the table as the hand is being dealt but anyway :rolleyes: ) and the dealer talked you into calling preflop somewhat I felt.
It's irrelevant now but I wasn't mad about his action during this hand. I didn't say anything as I was in the hand but Nick decided to object to the dealers comment and tone whilst saying "its only 4500 more to call?". Some players felt Nick was wrong to say this and started getting all up in Nick's face about it while not even in the hand! I thought Nick was 100% correct but in usual Nick style it was said in a more confrontational manner then needed but thats another days' work
Once you call the raise preflop you asking the dealer how much more it was is on the flop is a standard move and I had no problem with that.
I felt my hand range for raising utg was TT+ and AQ+ as I generally throw AJ or worse away here or push as I'm shortstacked but I only raised so my hand was probably strong. The flop was Q82 and you have J8. I push a 20.5k pot with my 14.5k stack with almost all that range except maybe QQ (and maybe even that) unless I have a read that one of you had hit it strongly. You chose to make the call and that's your decision but I wasn't happy that you were in the hand preflop for the two reasons outlined
I think cards should be mucked if people are not at the table. I've made this view known before and the management disagree with me which is there perogative.
Dealers comments and tone preflop. The dealer was obviously exhausted and had made a number of mistakes on the night and can be accused of not being terribly professional on the night but that's real life poker and as a player you just have to try and not let it tilt you I guess. I did tilt a bit over this on the night and I decided a return to cash games on the night wasn't a good idea as a result. Leaving a casino is my perogative.
Anyway it's over now and I'd like to say congrats to Nick the total luckbox on getting the best of the deal I'm just sorry I wasn't there to object!! LOL and also to reiterate Lazare's comments about the structure being fairly fast on Friday night. Maybe its time to automatically make the blinds 30 minutes long from the 1000/2000 level so its doesn't have to be asked for by the players?? Just an idea and worth a mention to TrickyD at some stage. 0 -
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Yea I forgot completly about the getting back from the jacks part and that that was how the whole thing with the dealer got going.
I suppose I've seen it happen in the Fitz before without ever really thinking about it but to tell you the truth I did not expect to be allowed play my hand when I got back to the table just as the action was coming to me.
I have seen people land at the table to cards but I know that I would not be allowed to play my hand in the SE or at a PE tourney.
If you'd questioned it I'd have been happy to sit out. I prefer the rule that you have to be at the table when your cards are dealt but I'm more concerned that the rule is applied consistently. If there is any question that I shouldn't have been let play then thats shyte. From what you are saying though you seem happy that that is the way it is applied all the time in the Fitz.
As regards deciding to call - I'm a big boy, I do my own sums and for better or worse (usually worse) I make my own decisions 0 -
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