Aces cracked twice

Atlas_IRL

***** Hand History for Game 4852548283 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Tue Aug 01 07:34:19 EDT 2006
Table Table 108228 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: fitzlegend ( $21.38)
Seat 2: DaDirk ( $18.15)
Seat 3: The76ers111 ( $5)
Seat 4: raydiaz86 ( $4.15)
Seat 6: culinaryjeff ( $26.48)
DaDirk posts small blind (0.10)
The76ers111 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fitzlegend [ Ad, Ah ]
raydiaz86 folds.
culinaryjeff calls (0.25)
fitzlegend raises (0.75) to 0.75
DaDirk folds.
The76ers111 folds.
culinaryjeff calls (0.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4c, 2h, Kc ]
culinaryjeff checks.
fitzlegend checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
culinaryjeff checks.
fitzlegend bets (0.50)
culinaryjeff calls (0.50)
** Dealing River ** : [ 8d ]
culinaryjeff bets (1)
fitzlegend raises (3) to 3
culinaryjeff calls (2)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $8.45 | Rake: $0.40
Board: [ 4c 2h Kc 5d 8d ]

fitzlegend balance $17.13, lost $4.25 [ Ad Ah ] [ a pair of aces -- Ad,Ah,Kc,8d,5d ]
DaDirk balance $18.05, lost $0.10 (folded)
The76ers111 balance $4.75, lost $0.25 (folded)
raydiaz86 balance $4.15, didn't bet (folded)
garvin1963 balance $10, sits out
culinaryjeff balance $30.68, bet $4.25, collected $8.45, net +$4.20 [ 8s 5h ] [ two pairs, eights and fives -- Kc,8s,8d,5h,5d ]




***** Hand History for Game 4852495756 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Tue Aug 01 07:07:36 EDT 2006
Table Table 108228 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: fitzlegend ( $14.15)
Seat 2: DaDirk ( $24.63)
Seat 3: Absinta ( $25.70)
Seat 4: GDiddy123 ( $27.20)
Seat 5: eshirl ( $35.02)
Seat 6: culinaryjeff ( $11.65)
fitzlegend posts small blind (0.10)
DaDirk posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fitzlegend [ Ac, As ]
Absinta calls (0.25)
GDiddy123 folds.
eshirl folds.
fitzlegend raises (0.65) to 0.75
DaDirk folds.
Absinta calls (0.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4d, 8h, 7h ]
fitzlegend checks.
Absinta checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9c ]
fitzlegend bets (0.50)
Absinta raises (1) to 1
fitzlegend calls (0.50)
** Dealing River ** : [ Qs ]
fitzlegend bets (3)
Absinta calls (3)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $9.30 | Rake: $0.45
Board: [ 4d 8h 7h 9c Qs ]

fitzlegend balance $9.40, lost $4.75 [ Ac As ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,As,Qs,9c,8h ]
DaDirk balance $24.38, lost $0.25 (folded)
Absinta balance $30.25, bet $4.75, collected $9.30, net +$4.55 [ 7d 8d ] [ two pairs, eights and sevens -- Qs,8d,8h,7d,7h ]
GDiddy123 balance $27.20, didn't bet (folded)
eshirl balance $35.02, didn't bet (folded)
culinaryjeff balance $11.65, sits out


did i play them wrong? maybe i shouldnt of checked the turn... im pretty sure if i had raised to 1 euro in the first one he would have folded preflop

5starpool

Bet more preflop, especially in the first one. Bet the flop in both of them. Make people pay to outdraw you. The second one after the min raise on the turn you should probably check call the river.

You played the first one especially poorly imo. The more you bet preflop and on the flop the more it will cosst to outdraw you since you can bet more on later streets.

antomadness

Should have raised more pre-flop in the 1st.and definately bet the flop then the pot would have been yours,cos he would have folded

cooker3

I am fine with the size of the raises myself but definately bet on the flop on the first occasion, you made it cheap for him to outdraw you, if he is calling down with that crap, value bet him to death in future.

The second hand, I'd would bet the flop most times but as it turned out you should check called river after the min raise as usually min raise is a sign that they have a hand.

Atlas_IRL

cooker3 wrote:

I am fine with the size of the raises myself but definately bet on the flop on the first occasion, you made it cheap for him to outdraw you, if he is calling down with that crap, value bet him to death in future.

Ill have to look out for that more often so you would pick on that player post flop if you thought he was very loose?

cooker3

Atlas_IRL wrote:

Ill have to look out for that more often so you would pick on that player post flop if you thought he was very loose?

Absolutely, if he is calling raises with 85 and then calling bets with his middle pairs then that is exactly sort of opponant you want to exploit, don't bluff him but just bet hard each street whenever you have a hand, have to make him pay for his mistakes`

imeatingchips

i thoroughly agree with cooker3.

as an additional note, i've seen aces get cracked quite a lot in my experience- *especially* when slow played (which, bar your reasonable-enough preflop raise, is what you did). and when people lose with them they often lose big.

the thing is, they're only aces. treat them with a healthy dose of pessimism.

on tables like the above you should try to get as many people out with your pre-flop raise as possible which'll reduce your chances of losing to flush-chasers or people holding crap like 85.

if you can't get rid of them and they outdraw you then just shrug. follow cookers advice and you'll win the war - who cares about that little battle?