And I thought I was aggressive ...

Gholimoli

3/6 6handed

UTG limps
Im UTG+1 and have JJ .i raise it up to 30.the reason for the larger riase is that table is loose pre-flop and they call all sort of raises with crappy hands so I thought I make them pay a bit more.
Folded to SB who calls.
Folded to UTG limper who calls.
SB is a more on and I have no reads on UTG .

Flop (96)

347 rainbow.
UTG checks and I bet 50.
SB folds and UTG calls.

Turn (196)
9 completing the rainbow.

UTG checks .i check behind .

River (196)
7 .
UTG pushes for 550
WTF ?
My move?
I cover him .

shoutman

If they are as loose as you say is it a possibility that they might of called preflop with a low pocket pair giving them trips maybe?

I really cant see them having trip sevens here as it makes no sense.

For me it would be a certain call, I still would of bet the turn though i think.

fuzzbox

I think I have to fold here. He cant expect you to have a hand to call with, but there is nothing worth bluffing with, so he prolly has at least 7x and more likely a made full/str8.

I bet more on the flop and I prolly bet the turn too.

Killme00

What hands would he call a 5bb raise preflop with.

Bet the turn!!

He doesnt have a seven ( his bet would have been smaller) but could have an overpair to the board. Reluctant Call

wayfarer

shoutman wrote:

I really cant see them having trip sevens here as it makes no sense.

Does the move make sense with any hand?!

I'd fold. I've only ever known this move to be made with a monster. There are no missed draws that he could be bluffing with and single pair hands would probably want a cheap showdown. So unless he's the biggest doink in the world, I'd say you're very likely to be beaten here.

fuzzbox

Killme00 wrote:

What hands would he call a 5bb raise preflop with.

He doesnt have a seven ( his bet would have been smaller) but could have an overpair to the board. Reluctant Call

Please explain why you expect him to push with TT (the only overpair to the board that we actually beat), but not 76s?

Does our villain believe that he is bluffing with his TT? Yet he would value bet smaller with 7x ?

shoutman

Very true wayferer, I just couldnt see how he could call the preflop raise with suited connectors. I am by no means an authority on poker at all at all, but 3/6 is big limits (in my mind anyway) I would of thought you would of had to be very solid to be playing at these limits and I dont think he could of called that preflop raise with a seven in his hand, is it possible he had two sevens in his hand?
If so there would be no way he would go all in on the river,

It really is a strangely played hand, on second thoughts Gholi only has 80 committed in this hand....

I suppose it is possible that the villain in the hand could put gholi on an overpair and think that pushin that river with trip jacks would be a good move to make as it would make gholi think that he is weak and is making a strange attempt at stealing the pot.

Gholi betting that turn would have given a lot more info though imo.

Killme00

Why would he call with 67 preflop

If he had pocket Queen Kings or Aces he would reraise preflop

bet the turn!!

empirix

I'd be thinking trip 7 myself, if playing as loose as you say could well have A 7 s, K 7 s etc.

I'd fold, hard but i think it has to be done


A perfect reason why i gave up playing online!

Gholimoli

shoutman wrote:

If they are as loose as you say is it a possibility that they might of called preflop with a low pocket pair giving them trips maybe?

I really cant see them having trip sevens here as it makes no sense.

For me it would be a certain call, I still would of bet the turn though i think.

betting the turn is certainly an option.
But how much do I bet?
What do I do if he check/raises pushes?

What do you put him on so far?

fuzzbox

Gholimoli wrote:

Betting the turn is certainly an option.
But how much do I raise?
What do I do if he check/raises pushes?

What do you put him on so far?

fyp ... and

Bet 150, fold a shove, expect to get calls sometimes from 55/66/88/76 and such.

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

fyp ... and

Bet 150, fold a shove, expect to get calls sometimes from 55/66/88/76 and such.

its kind of scary to be honest.
on a less scary bored or with more info about the villain i would have bet the turn.
on this board i felt a bet here would often get a c/r (i would often c/r here my self with air) .
i may get called from the hands you say but i think more than getting called he would either raise or fold.
also by checking behind here ive shown weakness which may induce a bluff on the river that i could call .
i think its close betting the turn and checking behind .im yet to be convinced one is deffo much better than the other.
thoughts?

fuzzbox

Gholimoli wrote:

its kind of scary to be honest.
on a less scary bored or with more info about the villain i would have bet the turn.
on this board i felt a bet here would often get a c/r (i would often c/r here my self with air) .
i may get called from the hands you say but i think more than getting called he would either raise or fold.
also by checking behind here ive shown weakness which may induce a bluff on the river that i could call .
i think its close betting the turn and checking behind .im yet to be convinced one is deffo much better than the other.
thoughts?

Well the problem is that its not often that you are WA/WB here, because of the pair+gutshots or pair+overcard or pair+gutshot+twopair-draw type hands that villain might have.

Usually villain has a fair number of outs (fair = 5+). Its not huge, but its reasonably significant.

Anyway - checking is not a bad option, and I would certainly do it a fair amount myself so I cant really fault you on it.

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

Well the problem is that its not often that you are WA/WB here, because of the pair+gutshots or pair+overcard or pair+gutshot+twopair-draw type hands that villain might have.

Usually villain has a fair number of outs (fair = 5+). Its not huge, but its reasonably significant.

Anyway - checking is not a bad option, and I would certainly do it a fair amount myself so I cant really fault you on it.

i agree with the element of protecting your hand against draws/hands on the come but i was just a bit concerned abt pot getting too larg .
any way i folded and he showed his hand.
T5 of spades.
i made a bad fold when i thought about it later and if i had more time to analyse the hand i would deffo have called.

i knew he didnt have an over pair.
as for the 56 for the made str ,possible but he would not have pushed the turn and made a value bet of some sort.

with a hand that inlvolved a 7 then again he would have made a value bet.
not knowing anything abt this opponent made me me give him the benefit of the doubt.
i induced the bluff with my check on the turn and even though i was expecting a bet a combination of him getting the perfect card to bluff at and a big size bet made me fold.

empirix

hmmm T 5 s, Personally i would of passed these if there was a raise preflop, which you did do, very catcheable opponent if he see's the flop with these sort of hands, he wins that battle but with play like that his sure to lose in the long run

fuzzbox

Nice of him to show his bluff, next time you can call him.

I imagine that he is now buddy-listed .

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

Nice of him to show his bluff, next time you can call him.

I imagine that he is now buddy-listed .

i got half his stack later with my Q high flush when he refused to let go of top pair no kicker.
as you can imagin it made for a nice session having position on him for few hours until he got busted.
as for budy list man my list does not have room any more

FastMachine

You need a very good read to call a 550 bet into a 200 pot. I fold here everytime unless I know the villain is a maniac, I'd always give them the benefit of the doubt until I know otherwise. You'll make back the cash with interest handy enough if the villain is making thick plays like this.

In this hand, I'd bet about 120 or 130 on the turn and would usually fold if the villain checkraised. I'm not a big fan of checking behind on the turn when I think I have the best hand, it keeps the pot smaller but it also means you've missed a chance to take it down on the current street, gives a free card and leaves you with less of an idea where you stand on the river. If you bet the turn and get reraised or checkraised (generally) it means you're behind so you can fold and it costs you the same as it would to call a river bet if you had've checked behind. If you've bet big enough on the turn and the villain called you can usually put him on a fairly narrow range of hands making your river decision easier.

fuzzbox

Gholimoli wrote:

i got half his stack later with my Q high flush when he refused to let go of top pair no kicker.
as you can imagin it made for a nice session having position on him for few hours until he got busted.
as for budy list man my list does not have room any more

Get rid of some of the dead wood, and add this guy. I would make special room for this type of guy.