01/02 Audi A4 or 00 BMW 320?

Cyrus

as my quest continues looking at cars, would appreciate peoples opinions on 130 bhp diesel or 165bhp petrol a4 (both would get a remap so youd be lookin at 180 bhp for diesel and 200 for petrol)

or a 00 2.2ltr bmw 320?

Example audi:

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=451394

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=446994

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=314541

id prob hold out for black or grey with leater

or beemer

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=391490
altho its an auto

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=469895

discuss

cyborg

those beemers are 2.0 150bhp not the 2.2 170bhp 01 + models.
much slower than either of the audis

bucks

The cousin has a 01 A4 1.9TDi (red eye) which has been remapped, his figures are around the 168 bhp mark, either way it is one fast car and any more power would just have the whels constantly spinning.

I like the look of both cars but its the interior that sets them apart, for example the middle dash in the A4 faces straight out instead of been angled to the driver, this is one thing that would constantly annoy me.

For me it would be the rear wheel drive 320, in particular one with the factory fitted mtech kit.

If the Audi was rear wheel drive then i would have something to think about, actually no it would still probably be the 320.

Cyrus

didnt realise there was a 2litre 320?

http://www.parkers.co.uk/choosing/carreviews/review.aspx?model_id=96&page=8

cant see one on there?

bucks

http://www.parkers.co.uk/choosing/specs/data.aspx?model_id=96&id=17151

Cyrus

i know theres a 320 diesel, but both cars i posted are 320i

HungryJoey

I wasn't aware either of there being 320's that are 2L engines. I was aware that most of the 320i were 2.2L Straight 6's. And I thought the 318's ran a 2L or a 1.9L engine. That was my understanding. Perhaps that add on car zone mis-understood the engine size or the 320. If it is the 2.2L Straight 6 It would be a beautiful engine but nothing amazing. If it was my choice it'd have to be the BMW. I love that 320 engine.

Hj

Cyrus

im nearly sure its the 2.2 straight 6, my dad had a 320ci 4/5 yrs ago, nice car, nice poke from the engine aswell

cyborg

The 320 as found in the E36 was a 2L 6 clyinder and it was carried over into the E46 but then changed in 01 for the newer 2.2L also badged 320.

Cyrus

any backup for this anywhere?

Eoin

Some of the earlier 320Ds have 136BHP as standard, so won't have the performance you are looking for. The later ones have the 150BHP. Cyrus, I still think you would prefer the coupe model. As kdevitt said on another thread, it looks like the petrol E46 doesn't respond particularly well to a remap. Even the guy who does them says there is little BHP gain, but you may be able to iron out any flat spots.

By the way, don't worry about the body kit. You can get the genuine M-Tech kit sprayed and fitted for €1,600 or so.

Check out www.bmw-driver.net, the guys there know their stuff.

bucks

My bad i saw you were looking at an A4 diesel or petrol, assumed you were looking at a 320 diesel or petrol aswell.

For the 2 litre petrol you will have to go for a 318, same car but BMW got into a weird phase where the numbers on the boot no longer conincided with whats under the hood.

Just out of interest, why such the big gap between engine sizes? and also fuel type.
I mean 1.9 diesel/1.8 Audi compared to a 2.2 petrol 320..

daveg

Cyrus wrote:

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=451394

Jesus thats serious good value on the Audi. Looks like I'm gonna get raped when I sell my 02 Tdi next year :eek:

cyborg

for all the doubting thomas's

http://www.answers.com/topic/bmw-m52

unkel

Jaysis, Cyrus, will these posts ever stop :rolleyes:

What was wrong with the 330Ci I suggested in your previous post? Next best thing to an M3

SGKM

I know that the 520i had a 2.0 150bhp 6 cylinder up to the facelift in 2001 when it got the 2.2 170bhp 6 cylinder. So I presume that a 2000 320i would have the 2.0 6 cylinder.

If I was in the market for a car like that I'd probably go for a

Have you considered the IS200? You'd get more spec and a newer one for your money but it wouldn't be quite as fast as the 320i or the A4 1.8T.

Or what about a 2001 520i with the 2.2 6 cylinder engine? They look great with the M-Pack!!!

Cyrus

bucks wrote:

My bad i saw you were looking at an A4 diesel or petrol, assumed you were looking at a 320 diesel or petrol aswell.

For the 2 litre petrol you will have to go for a 318, same car but BMW got into a weird phase where the numbers on the boot no longer conincided with whats under the hood.

Just out of interest, why such the big gap between engine sizes? and also fuel type.
I mean 1.9 diesel/1.8 Audi compared to a 2.2 petrol 320..

I like the 1.9 VAD PD engines as you can get 180-200hp and a shed load of torque out em with a map and the 1.8t a4 is the best petrol a4 until the v6s, the 2,0 isnt great.

The 1.8/1.9/2.0 petrol beemers are sluggish 4cyl, the 2.2 is a lovely engine. all the cars ive listed are similar in performance and all insurable by me why dya reckon ive missed something??

Anan1

Cyborg is correct, a 1998 BMW 320i would have come out of the factory with a 2.0 straight 6 150bhp engine.

Cyrus

unkel wrote:

Jaysis, Cyrus, will these posts ever stop :rolleyes:

What was wrong with the 330Ci I suggested in your previous post? Next best thing to an M3

nothing i love it but im 25 and computer says no for insurance, and pocket says no to tax

Cyrus

SGKM wrote:

I know that the 520i had a 2.0 150bhp 6 cylinder up to the facelift in 2001 when it got the 2.2 170bhp 6 cylinder. So I presume that a 2000 320i would have the 2.0 6 cylinder.

If I was in the market for a car like that I'd probably go for a

Have you considered the IS200? You'd get more spec and a newer one for your money but it wouldn't be quite as fast as the 320i or the A4 1.8T.

Or what about a 2001 520i with the 2.2 6 cylinder engine? They look great with the M-Pack!!!

love the new is200 not the old one, and not too many clean sport 520s about for less than 20k

i still doubt that those 00 320is are 2.0ltr but i could be wrong

Anan1

To respond to the OP's original question, it really depends what you want. A BMW 320i is in a completely different class from a 1.8T and especially a 1.9TDI Audi. Chassis apart, there simply is no substitute for a good 6 cylinder petrol engine. If you want to save money, buy the Audi. If you want to enjoy driving, buy the BMW.

unkel

Cyrus wrote:

nothing i love it but im 25 and computer says no for insurance, and pocket says no to tax

What's the max cc you can get reasonable insurance cover for? That should give you the answer whether to go BMW or not...

Anan1

Am I going mad or have a couple of posts just disappeared from this thread?

Matt Simis

Cyrus wrote:

as my quest continues looking at cars, would appreciate peoples opinions on 130 bhp diesel or 165bhp petrol a4 (both would get a remap so youd be lookin at 180 bhp for diesel and 200 for petrol)

or a 00 2.2ltr bmw 320?

Example audi:
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discuss

For that type of money, you could get a '99-00 Audi S4 and live my dream! 2.7L Bi-Turbo, 265BHP stock, Quaddro drive system. A far more expensive (only a few years ago) and exclusive car than any A4 or BMW 320i..



Matt

Cyrus

the dream costs too much to insure, lovely navy one for 18k too

SGKM

I've driven a few e46 3 series: 318i,320d,and 320Ci. The two 320s were quite impressive to drive,fast,smooth,refined and great handling. I wouldnt buy one because they are just far too small and cramped! I'd go for the 5 series if I was you. You could try importing a clean 520i from the uk.

Cyrus

unkel wrote:

What's the max cc you can get reasonable insurance cover for? That should give you the answer whether to go BMW or not...

2.2litre max

as for the size of the 3, theres only me and the missus so no worries with size

maidhc

Cyrus wrote:

I like the 1.9 VAD PD engines as you can get 180-200hp and a shed load of torque out em

After spending a lot of money. You will just be down 3k on a set of new injectors if you trying getting that power from nought but a remap.

Matt Simis

Cyrus wrote:

the dream costs too much to insure, lovely navy one for 18k too

Well, XS Direct, under €1000 per year (over 25, full license?), fully comp. Just dont crash, 4K excess.


Matt

Cyrus

maidhc wrote:

After spending a lot of money. You will just be down 3k on a set of new injectors if you trying getting that power from nought but a remap.

i dont get you, are you saying you cant get that power from a remap?

i have seen it myself, you can, i know a guy who had a pd150 that churned out 172bhp on a rolling road stock and a mate had his pd130 remapped to 180bhp from a revo map rolling road verified.

My own 150bhp petrol golf gti is making 210 bhp

Cyrus

Matt Simis wrote:

Well, XS Direct, under €1000 per year (over 25, full license?), fully comp. Just dont crash, 4K excess.


Matt

im scared of that premium for some reason, am i silly?

Moanin

Audi all the way the 1.9TDI that is.Serious torque and economy. At the end of the day it depends on what you are after.........

Cyrus

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carid=362884

wooooooooof!

Anan1

Moanin wrote:

Audi all the way the 1.9TDI that is.Serious torque and economy. At the end of the day it depends on what you are after.........

As you say, if economy is king then it has to be the Audi TDI. Rough as a bear's arse compared to a BMW petrol 6, though. You pays your money...

Eoin

Cyrus wrote:

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carid=362884

wooooooooof!

"Ming Blue" eh?

As it wouldn't be the motors forum without this obligatory question - can I take it the Octavia RS isn't an option?

Cyrus

economy is not an issue, i wouldnt be driving a 1.8t golf if it was, i dont do many miles and if i do work pays

Cyrus

eoin_s wrote:

"Ming Blue" eh?

As it wouldn't be the motors forum without this obligatory question - can I take it the Octavia RS isn't an option?

fine car but they just dont do it for me, ditto a passat dont like em either

Matt Simis

Cyrus wrote:

fine car but they just dont do it for me, ditto a passat dont like em either

They look the same as the A4 you list in the OP! Some good bodykits for them too.


Matt

unkel

Cyrus wrote:

you can, i know a guy who had a pd150 that churned out 172bhp on a rolling road stock and a mate had his pd130 remapped to 180bhp from a revo map rolling road verified.

My own 150bhp petrol golf gti is making 210 bhp

Don't be a bhp fetishist. Power means nothing if the car cannot handle it

As for a max of 2.2 and an intention to change next year, go BMW next time or the time after that, you'll probably get insurance on a 2.5 - 3.0l E46 Coupe then

For now, I wouldn't necessarily go Audi, how about a Leon Cupra / Octavia vRS?

Edit: ah, you don't like the Octavia

Cyrus

Matt Simis wrote:

They look the same as the A4 you list in the OP! Some good bodykits for them too.


Matt

the octavia, to a blind man with one eye maybe

maidhc

unkel wrote:

Don't be a bhp fetishist. Power means nothing if the car cannot handle it

True, and the A4 has a very plain chassis.

I'll probably be banned for endless ranting at this stage, but pumping up a 130bhp car to 200bhp will lead to problems in the medium/long term. It simply has to, something major has to give under the increased strain. Indeed the Golf PD150 is the least reliable of the family by all accounts.

Not that Cyrus will be concerned about the medium or long term durability of the car

michaelanthony

The Bmw. The Audi is second division.