illegal XXX, should i ignore?

LegacyUser

for obvious reasons im going unreg.

I was browsing through a computer the other day(so sue me), i was bored and yes nosey :P.
I ran across sum not so pleasant videos as the title suggests. should i ignore them knowing that this "person" is getting this stuff? is it none of my bussiness?
I would never think that this person would act out on these videos but is what goes on in thier head enough to make a deal over?
I havent really been burden by it, it made me retink the person but im starting to not even think of it. but i certainly would not let this person alone in certain situations ever again.

Canis Lupus

People have all sorts of weird fantasies and dark secrets. Doesn't mean they will act on them. Just cos you find something you find unpleasant doesn't mean your friend is a weirdo. He might be equally appalled that someone would root through his private stuff...... Now that's worse than looking at porn imo.

In saying that if you found child porn, that's a no no.

Hobart

What do you mean by illegal? Is it kiddy porn? If so, report the guy/gal.

Wibbs

Canis Lupus wrote:

In saying that if you found child porn, that's a no no.

Agreed. Found evidence of that myself quite a few years back in another incarnation. Reported it too. Guy got arrested. Result.

As for anything else? If it's of the "legal" type then I would say while you may not agree or indeed find it distasteful you should leave well alone.

event

unless its kiddie porn, its none of your business

Black Swan

OP: Your information is not clear... Are these illegal XXX videos of underage children? If so, this is serious, and may suggest that: (1) the person who has been downloading them is in need of therapy; or (2) is downloading and selling them to others, which is criminal; or (3) both. If this is the case, something needs to be done about it, don't you think? But once again, your information is unclear. Can you provide more details?*

*Disclaimer: This is not to be construed as legal advice, but only the personal opinion of a poster on these boards.

InFront

As the other posters have said, if it is child porn make a call to the guards. Garda Confidential Helpline: 1800 666 111
You don't even have to speak to a garda, just leave a voice message.

If its legal or just very very strange, you know, if there are animals involved or something weird like that, do nothing. If nobody was being hurt its his own business.

jhegarty

InFront wrote:

As the other posters have said, if it is child porn make a call to the guards. Garda Confidential Helpline: 1800 666 111
You don't even have to speak to a garda, just leave a voice message.

If its legal or just very very strange, you know, if there are animals involved or something weird like that, do nothing. If nobody was being hurt its his own business.

If its child porn report it now... it no one paid for that sick filth no one would make it....

also reporting it could help in tracking down the makers....

ron.dolan

jhegarty wrote:

If its child porn report it now... it no one paid for that sick filth no one would make it....

also reporting it could help in tracking down the makers....

Have to agree - looking is not a 'victimless crime'. There are real lives involved and real lives being destroyed for someones voyeuristic 'pleasure'?

I usually dont like violence, but if I knew someone looking at child pornography I think I would rethink my beliefs (however, I am not advocating you take action in any form other than to call authorities!)

If its some of the other scarier, but possibly legal types of porn, I would be wary around this person, dont care what anyone says, objectification of a person/persons is dangerous to the user of such material. Its a slippery slope indeed.

Having said that, we all have dark fantasies and its the ability to be able to discern what is real and what is harking after the 'damn dark dog' of our psyche?

Keep us posted.

Miss Fluff

You really need to elaborate. What do you mean by XXX? If it's child porn you need to report the sick bastard immediately. Poor kids are put through torture to make those videos to fuel sick f*cker's minds. Google Operation Amethyst and you'll get some phone numbers there. This kind of thing makes me SO sick

If it's only a bit of normal hardcore porn, let them enjoy, not harming anyone...

Moojuice

OP can you clarify what you mean by "illegal XXX". As the others have said, if it involves children there is only one course of action..............call the cops.

MojoMaker

lol...I think you've embarrassed the OP. A couple of squirting vids and she thinks the world is gonna cave in

LegacyUser

i was working.

thanks for the advice, seems pretty unamious(sp?).
it was the illegal type, not just wierd. i dont mind wierd things.
I'll have to have a think about it but i see where everyone else stands, could effect my life situation dramatically.
maybe delete it and warn them to never have it again?

free2fly

unknownTom wrote:

i was working.

thanks for the advice, seems pretty unamious(sp?).
it was the illegal type, not just wierd. i dont mind wierd things.
I'll have to have a think about it but i see where everyone else stands, could effect my life situation dramatically.
maybe delete it and warn them to never have it again?

I think you should report him not warn him. Think of the children that you could, conceivably, be saving. Normal people do not watch child pornography! It is immoral and illegal. He needs help not a warning!!

HelterSkelter

unknownTom wrote:

i was working.

thanks for the advice, seems pretty unamious(sp?).
it was the illegal type, not just wierd. i dont mind wierd things.
I'll have to have a think about it but i see where everyone else stands, could effect my life situation dramatically.
maybe delete it and warn them to never have it again?

Is there any chance it could have got there without him knowing? Someone else using the computer? A virus? I know porn links (not kiddy though) were added to my start menu and an exe installed before by some kind of virus. I know nobody else added them as I had just reinstalled windows (and was stupidly connected to the net without a firewall) and hadn't downloaded the security updates.

Just make you are 100% sure he is responsible before you go reporting him.

LegacyUser

Hang on a minute, Miss Fluff.

Are we sure the said person did the crime - and NOT
somebody else using the person's computer ?
Is there any further proof ?

seamus

If you were working, then it's also an HR matter. As others have also pointed out, you should investigate a little more before doing anything rash. It is possible to find out who created/copied a file - they could easily have been put there by someone trying to get this guy fired/arrested.

My advice, straight off, would be to not keep it to yourself. You should liase with the people whose business it would be (HR, your boss, perhaps even the employee's boss), to discuss what steps should be taken before condeming the guy.

If it's a large company, then there will probably be specific procedures in place to handle it. If it's a small company, then I would advise getting the MD involved.

Be careful not to gossip. If it turns out that the stuff was planted or is otherwise innocent, you and the company could find yourselves in legal trouble.

eth0_

InFront wrote:

If its legal or just very very strange, you know, if there are animals involved or something weird like that, do nothing. If nobody was being hurt its his own business.

Bestiality is illegal too you know!

free2fly

seamus wrote:

If you were working, then it's also an HR matter. As others have also pointed out, you should investigate a little more before doing anything rash. It is possible to find out who created/copied a file - they could easily have been put there by someone trying to get this guy fired/arrested.

My advice, straight off, would be to not keep it to yourself. You should liase with the people whose business it would be (HR, your boss, perhaps even the employee's boss), to discuss what steps should be taken before condeming the guy.

If it's a large company, then there will probably be specific procedures in place to handle it. If it's a small company, then I would advise getting the MD involved.

Be careful not to gossip. If it turns out that the stuff was planted or is otherwise innocent, you and the company could find yourselves in legal trouble.

Good point. I didn't realize that the OP was at work.

Marksie

If you could access it then presumably it is a netwroked or open computer. So unless access is limited, be VERY careful before making accusations.

Also don't delete it, dont touch it (I used to work in forensics... dont touch is really crucial)... you wouldnt want someone to ask why you deleted it would you or tampered with evidence?. Just IMMEDIATELY report it to the HR.

Our offices have a site filter... how the hell did it get downloaded and who would be stupid enough to try?

Be that as it may the computer mustn't be touched and the gards informed.
Your role is simply to bring it to the attention of either IT or HR.

You are not a detective, keep your suspiciions to yourself. it is for the gardai to deal with this. They are very good at tracking this sort of stuff. Certainly i know our workpace has internet logs.

secret_squirrel

Dont Delete it.

Dont touch it.

Dont try to reason with the person whose pc it is.

It sounds like you have a personal as well as professional relationship with them?

You need to report it to your manager and let them take it from there.

It will then be your managers decision on how to proceed.

If it got there without your colleague being involved then that will be discovered when IT investigate the PC.

AdrianII

unknownTom wrote:

i was working.

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I think the OP means she was at work and did nt have access to a PC. I dont think it meant to read the OP found the XXX content at work. Most places have filters to block all that content out

Moojuice

unknownTom wrote:

i was working.

thanks for the advice, seems pretty unamious(sp?).
it was the illegal type, not just wierd. i dont mind wierd things.
I'll have to have a think about it but i see where everyone else stands, could effect my life situation dramatically.
maybe delete it and warn them to never have it again?

Ok so it is Child porn or it is not? You have not clarified.............if it is child porn then what is wrong with you? Why do you even need to ask for advice. It should be clear cut..........REPORT IT ASAP. You have a moral and ethical obligation to do so. Failing to report it is as bad as downloading/looking at it yourself. Your inaction will lead to children being harmed in disgusting ways. Stop deliberating and report it.

Marksie

AdrianII wrote:

I think the OP means she was at work and did nt have access to a PC. I dont think it meant to read the OP found the XXX content at work. Most places have filters to block all that content out

That would exlplain something that i had been pondering over:
It should still be reported though

unknownTom wrote:

I'll have to have a think about it but i see where everyone else stands, could effect my life situation dramatically.

spurious

If it's child porn there should be no hesitation in reporting it.

If it's two or more adults doing what you (or even many people) might find offensive to each other then leave it alone. It really might not be worth the hassle, but child porn - no question.

secret_squirrel

Moojuice wrote:

Failing to report it is as bad as downloading/looking at it yourself. Your inaction will lead to children being harmed in disgusting ways. Stop deliberating and report it.

Just slightly hysterical there arent we?

OP I would advise to act slightly more calmly than the above poster, ignore the over the top reaction above.

OP until you clarify the exact circumstances of how/where you found the porn then you're not going to get great advice.

Moojuice

secret_squirrel wrote:

Just slightly hysterical there arent we?

OP I would advise to act slightly more calmly than the above poster, ignore the over the top reaction above.

OP until you clarify the exact circumstances of how/where you found the porn then you're not going to get great advice.

Hysterical? There was a nother post that people jumped down my throat about because I said that if it was child porn the OP should report it. The same applies here. What the hell is wrong with you and the OP? My post appplies if it is child porn nothing else. Are you suggesting there is any other course of action if it is child porn? The OP has not clarified it as I stated.

Let me be clear: If it is child porn then you MUST report it and I stand by my post that stated that if you fail to report child porn you are as bad as the person who is downloading it; you had the power to do something about it and you did not. This just allows children to continue to be abused.

If you consider me hysterical then what do you prupose? I will state again, what I stated above only applies if it is child porn. If not, as others have posted, and if it is between two consenting adults then leave it well alone.

Jesus my mind boggles at the attitude of some people to this kind of thing. OP please clarify and stop being so vague. Is what you found child porn or not?

secret-squirrel: you are right in your last statement, until the OP clarifies what it was that was found he/she will not get great advice as people will jump to conclusions. I am concluding that it is child porn as many of the poster's tacitly assumed it was and the OP did not refute it, but stated that "it was the illegal type, not just wierd". If I am wrong I will aplogise, but as I have said my "hysterical" reaction is only applicable if it is child porn. If that makes me hysterical then I dont give a ****. I dont htink a softly-softly, nicely nicely approach is warranted if it is child porn. As some said up above, touch nothing and report it.

Victor

unknownTom wrote:

maybe delete it and warn them to never have it again?

Do not go near it. If you see so much as a thumbnail image, you will have deliberately sought out cild porn(?) and will have broken the law. Actually deleting is aiding after the fact.

secret_squirrel

Victor wrote:

Do not go near it. If you see so much as a thumbnail image, you will have deliberately sought out cild porn(?) and will have broken the law. Actually deleting is aiding after the fact.

How does that work given you wont know its child porn until the first time you see a thumb nail. How can that constitute seeking it out??

The same applies here. What the hell is wrong with you and the OP?

Nothing is wrong with me - and I agree in principle with your post. However whilst the content was good advice - the hysterical tone with which it was posted was completely unhelpful and over the top imo.

By your definition of 'doing nothing is as bad as downloading', we should all be googling for child porn sites and reporting them. Do you suggest we subscribe to check their contents first? I think not. Hence some of your comments were hysterical and unhelpful.

Canis Lupus

OP still hasnt said what kind of porn it was..... If he is getting worked up over some German scheize porn this might all be for nothing

Tar.Aldarion

secret_squirrel wrote:

How does that work given you wont know its child porn until the first time you see a thumb nail. How can that constitute seeking it out??

Because the first time he did not know it was there, he does now, and hence, would be seeking it out.

Victor

Go to Garda.

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