KJo

Rnger

A live mtt, 2 tables of 6 left, its folded around to the button who makes it 2400 (blinds 400/800). I call in the SB with KJo, BB folds. Flop is 668r. I check, Button makes it 8000 (pot is 5600). I push for his last 12k, I cover leaving me with 5.5k.

The button has being raising from middle position, the CO and button to 2400 alot in the last few rounds and taking the blinds uncontested most of the time. Its not bubble time yet.

You like?

Hectorjelly

Not really, he doesnt have enough chips to chk raise him all in with any type of folding equity. If he folded I would guess you had the best hand. I think reraising preflop would of been better.

PokerJim

Not a fan either.

Youre flatcalling out of position with KJo. If you think he's at it, push preflop. As said above, you're checkraising 1.5 times his bet? Not enough imo

Flushdraw

Defo not a fan either. If the flop comes J or K high then what you done would be fine but because you missed, dont be stubborn and check raise him. He's too much in the pot to fold so even if he made the move with a rag ace he's still ahead. Just fold preflop in future and wait til u get this hand on the button and push from there and you'll make more money than you will lose

NickyOD

Rnger wrote:

A live mtt, 2 tables of 6 left, its folded around to the button who makes it 2400 (blinds 400/800). I call in the SB with KJo, BB folds. Flop is 668r. I check, Button makes it 8000 (pot is 5600). I push for his last 12k, I cover leaving me with 5.5k.

The button has being raising from middle position, the CO and button to 2400 alot in the last few rounds and taking the blinds uncontested most of the time. Its not bubble time yet.

You like?

Could you have played it any worse?

Lafortezza

Try to be a bit constructive Nicky, instead of just telling people they play bad.

Rnger,
Villain is priced in to call with nearly everyhand that has a chance, any pair, AK, whatever. He has too little chips to fold after you check-raise.

Gholimoli

as every one pretty much said its not a good play becasue villain is not deep enough to be able to let this go.he is not even going to let A high go here which is bad for you.if you wanted to make a move you should have just moved in after the flop and before you checked .you chekced and he bets and puts more money in the pot committing hil self.your not going to get him off it unless he has got muck.

Norwich Fan Rob

a nice move if stacks are deeper.
wont work here as already stated.

important to ensure u have folding equity b4 trying such a move.

the re raise all in from the BB with button / cut off raise is one of the most profitable plays in an mtt when blinds are significant, and stack sizes permit the villian to pass.

the stop and go , call oop then push any flop also works well, villian may have to fold many decent hands with this move.

the call check raise all in with shallow stacks, worth brilliantly when u flop a big hand, not when u miss.

Wombatman

I don't think this is a horror move. Ballsy and a little wild. Button still has 15 bb's left. Is he pot comitted? Buttons bet looks like a over bet\steal. Check raise looks very strong here. What is buttons calling range?

Gholimoli

Wombatman wrote:

I don't think this is a horror move. Ballsy and a little wild. Button still has 15 bb's left. Is he pot comitted? Buttons bet looks like a over bet\steal. Check raise looks very strong here. What is buttons calling range?

any pair,any hand A high.

Wombatman

I would struggle to call here with Ax with all that went on before. Is this an auto-call for button with Ax?

NickyOD

You haven't given any real read on the villain other than the fact that he's been raising preflop a lot. You haven't even taken a guess at what he has in his hand or what the 8K overbet into 5.6K on the flop might mean. You've stuck in most of your stack with King high and no draw and given your oponent better than 2 to 1 to call without rhyme or reason purely in the hope that the villain might be at it with nothing even though you haven't given any real reason for him to be. This is wreckless overaggressive unplanned poker.

If you had said in the original post. "My read was that he looked very weak and couldn't possibly have a hand he could call an all in with" then fine but you've given absolutely no reaosn for playing the hand the way you did.

Wombatman

Two overs is a little draw.
I did mention the overbet.
I couldn't see the guys face . Not there.

In the name of 'wreckless overaggressive unplanned poker' are you calling away your tournie with Ace rag in this situation?

Iago

A9 or better I call here believing that at worst I have a good chance of winning the hand from this position, and a great chance of splitting the pot regardless.

You've either got a small PP (77-22) or two overcards. You could have A8 but it's unlikely you're holding a 6. In which case I'm in a pretty good position with AK-A9, any PP and maybe even KQ.

Raise preflop, or push the flop here, don't think you can check raise and get away with it.

Rnger

NickyOD wrote:

If you had said in the original post. "My read was that he looked very weak and couldn't possibly have a hand he could call an all in with" then fine but you've given absolutely no reaosn for playing the hand the way you did.

I'm giving you all the info I had available to me. I'm not going to make up some read just to sound good. Believing that someone looks weak without any reason other then gut instinct is bs.

Its really lose-lose situation. I'm not getting called by a worse hand and a better one dosent seem to be folding. My hand is fairly irrelevant here so why, I'm beginning to think, do I make a stand with KJ.

Does the 8000 bet not seem to stink of a steal? He's leaving himself with excellent odds to call a push but I think he knows that I realise that (I forgot that detail, it may not even be true). Still a terrible play?

NickyOD

Rnger wrote:

Its really lose-lose situation. I'm not getting called by a worse hand and a better one dosent seem to be folding. My hand is fairly irrelevant here so why, I'm beginning to think, do I make a stand with KJ.

He's leaving himself with excellent odds to call a push but I think he knows that I realise that (I forgot that detail, it may not even be true). Still a terrible play?

The way poker is being played lately, an overbet on the flop is much more likely to be a legitimate hand that a steal. There is no need for him to bet this much on a steal. He can bet half the pot and you should still fold everything but a pair. Also if he is really bad enough to bet this much on a steal how likely is it that he will fold Ace high?

Also why do you feel you have to make a stand for almsot all of your chips at this stage of the tournament when you are this deep. Reraising preflop is so much better.

Rnger

All valid points Nicky. I'm going to put my hands up now and say I havent felt so bad about a play in a long time. He instacalled with A8. He lived up to his perception I had of him and took advantage of it. All left was for me to bite. Game set match