A difficult Secuence

pok3rplaya

The villian for both these hands is a 400NL regular. We have an interesting preflop relationship in that we are continuously raising, reraising and even 3betting each other with less then premiums. At least I presume he does it with less because he does it so often. We are both aggressive players post flop.

These hands happened about 5 hands apart. The QQ one first. My question is, is the action in the first hand a reason to call or to fold in the second hand?

Also sorry but the hand converter is messing this up.


***** Hand History for Game 4760915685 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, July 19, 08:40:32 ET 2006
Table Table 107251 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: MiAMiMoVeR ( $396.21 )
Seat 3: Obsessus ( $400 )
Seat 4: lolYouFoldEZ ( $546.50 )
Seat 2: Rednahtun ( $428 )
Seat 5: dglenn59 ( $297.42 )
dglenn59 posts small blind [$2].
MiAMiMoVeR posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lolYouFoldEZ [ Qh Qs ]
Rednahtun folds.
Obsessus raises [$16].
lolYouFoldEZ raises [$50].
dglenn59 folds.
MiAMiMoVeR folds.
Obsessus calls [$34].
Pot: $100
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 9d, 8s ]
Obsessus checks.
lolYouFoldEZ bets [$75].
Obsessus raises [$150].
lolYouFoldEZ calls [$75].
Pot: $300
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
Obsessus is all-In [$200]
lolYouFoldEZ calls [$200].
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
Obsessus shows [ 5c, 6h ] a pair of sixes.
lolYouFoldEZ shows [ Qh, Qs ] a pair of queens.
lolYouFoldEZ wins $804 from the main pot with a pair of queens.



***** Hand History for Game 4760923475 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, July 19, 08:44:17 ET 2006
Table Table 107251 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: MiAMiMoVeR ( $414.21 )
Seat 3: Obsessus ( $400 )
Seat 4: lolYouFoldEZ ( $944.50 )
Seat 2: Rednahtun ( $505 )
Seat 5: dglenn59 ( $197.82 )
Seat 6: chipbleader_ ( $400 )
dglenn59 posts small blind [$2].
chipbleader_ posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lolYouFoldEZ [ Ah Kd ]
MiAMiMoVeR folds.
Rednahtun folds.
Obsessus raises [$16].
lolYouFoldEZ raises [$50].
dglenn59 folds.
chipbleader_ folds.
Obsessus calls [$34].
Pot: $100
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, Kc, Qs ]
Obsessus checks.
lolYouFoldEZ bets [$70].
Obsessus is all-In [$350]
lolYouFoldEZ ???

What to do?

ChipLdr

I call and expect to see him have 2 spades which give him the nuts on the river. Against this type of player TPTK is usually a monster.He must play in the Fitz.

cardshark202

call

Sangre

He might be pushing because of the previous hand knowing you think he is very loose. Tough call. I'd probably let it go with more detailed info on him.

pok3rplaya

Sangre wrote:

He might be pushing because of the previous hand knowing you think he is very loose. Tough call. I'd probably let it go with more detailed info on him.

Thats what I was thinking.

delanec8

I'd call. By the look of it he could have any K here if he is playing 56 to a reraise. He may well be on tilt and want to beat you in a pot. Obviously you have a longer history than this first hand but judging on that alone i think it has to be a call.

Killme00

call..he sees you as a loose player so doesnt put you on TP

Norwich Fan Rob

he can easily have a big draw here or a weaker K, easy call given his image, especially as hes likely on tilt.

Gholimoli

This is a call becomes of the combination of hands he could push here given the way he plays.
However against these particular type of opponents your much better of keeping the pot small pre-flop with unmade hands and build it up with made hands specially with position.
For example with AK don’t reraise him in position. just call and see the flop. this makes your future decisions much easier. when you reraise him then your building the pot preflop which makes future betting bigger which is generally not a good idea against very aggro players.
By the same token you want to make future betting bigger with made hands such AA,KK etc that’s why you reraise them.

pok3rplaya

Gholimoli wrote:

For example with AK don’t reraise him in position. just call and see the flop. this makes your future decisions much easier. when you reraise him then your building the pot preflop which makes future betting bigger which is generally not a good idea against very aggro players.

I disagree with this. Calling is very weak IMO. I'm going to miss 2/3 of the flops and he can take the pot away with nothing. Even when I do hit, my implied odds are basically zero. This guy won't call me down with AJ. I need to build a pot pf because most of the hands I get action off won't let me build on post flop unless I'm behind.

Reraising on the other hand gives me the inititive in the hand and means that I can win unimproved sometimes.