hand from the aviation club

RoundTower

My game just broke and I find myself in a 5-5 PL dealer's choice game in the Aviation Club de France, Paris. The game is 8 handed for this hand. Late at night, loose sick and full of action. I have been tight: the only hand I played so far in about 2 orbits is given below as background.

Villain 1 is hyperaggressive but not stupid, not sure if he is on tilt yet, he raises a lot preflop. Villain 2 I don't have much of a read on but he is more cautious anyway. In the hand I played against him I have AA in the SB in a multiway limped pot (very unusual), not sure exactly what game we were playing but the flop was 9QAr, I bet and get 2 callers, turn T I check and call half pot (€100) from V2, river 7 I check and call €100 and mhig. I think he had 2 small pair - didn't see it properly - and not sure if he was bluffing or not.

In this hand, the game is 5 card courchevel hi lo. If you aren't familiar with courchevel, it is like Omaha where the first flop card is exposed before any betting takes place. The exposed card is the Ac and I have Q2335 in the SB with the Q and 3 of clubs. UTG straddles €10, UTG+1 limps with €2200 behind, V1 makes it €50 with €2800 behind in MP, V2 calls on his left with €1200, I call with €1400 (good?) and UTG+1 calls.

Flop is Ac 2d 6c and I am first to act. I have 1400 odd and the pot is €210. What is my plan for the flop?

Whether you say bet or check, give some indication of what you intend to do if there is action after you. I'll post the rest of the hand later.

edited to make it clear I am in the SB

careca

Based on the details, you are last to act after the flop (or am I reading this wrong ?). A lot depends on what action occurs before it gets to you but I would be going fairly heavy with this hand. you are drawing to the second nut flush, the nut straight (4) which will also give you the nut low.

As per usual I half read it and see now that you are first to act. Pot it I reckon.

Even without the nut low, someone needs 34 in their hand to beat your current holding and you have two of the 3s.

If it goes pot, raise, reraise, I would fold , presuming the nut low is out and possibly a set or nut flush draw. But otherwise I would pot it when it comes to me.

The Snapper

careca wrote:

Based on the details, you are last to act after the flop (or am I reading this wrong ?). A lot depends on what action occurs before it gets to you but I would be going fairly heavy with this hand. you are drawing to the second nut flush, the nut straight (4) which will also give you the nut low.

As per usual I half read it and see now that you are first to act. Pot it I reckon.

Even without the nut low, someone needs 34 in their hand to beat your current holding and you have two of the 3s.

If it goes pot, raise, reraise, I would fold , presuming the nut low is out and possibly a set or nut flush draw. But otherwise I would pot it when it comes to me.

Is it more sense to bet smaller and get some players to contribute to the pot should you ultimately only take the low pot and split. Or is this thinking flawed.

jtsuited

sounds like an interesting game dave. What games were actually being played?

I ask as I may be going over to Paris in the next few weeks and wouldn't mind playing a bit.

RoundTower

not much interest in 5 card courchevel hi lo on these boards? I'm disgusted with all you kids who can't see past tournament no limit hold'em. JT - the games we actually played were almost all Omaha 5 hilo, Omaha 5, courchevel 5 hi lo, courchevel 5 in that order of popularity. But you could also choose from hold'em, double hold'em, 4 card Omaha high and hilo, stud hi, hi lo, and low, aviation which is some kind of Irish, and probably others which I forget. They also have smaller games which are all NL hold'em, €2-€2 capped at €300 which plays much like the Fitz hold'em, lots of beginners and weak players but smaller stacks and less action.

Anyway in this hand I decided to check and raise the bollocks out of the preflop raiser. After all I have the second nut low, blockers to the nut low, and a decent draw to the high side of the pot, but my pair of 3s is most likely not winning the high half at the moment. So I check, UTG checks, Villain 1 bets €200, Villain 2 doesn't think long before making it €800. What now? The bet is €800 and I have about €1400.

TheDuck32

dump it, you have no high hand and v2 has the nut low made.
the hand has cost you €50 and the you could be dead to a 4, not clubs.

fuzzbox

Fold to that action with a non-nut hi draw, and a non-nut made low.

RoundTower

I did fold. I think I'm likely to be in bad shape 3 way, and I expect Villian 2 to have a good hand here largely based on his underbetting the previous time. In fact he had 34 and no 5, no flush draw, not sure if he had any better chance for high. Villain 1 had A2K no flush draw and maybe a really bad low draw, a K came on the turn and they got it in.

Fuzz - do you agree with the initial plan to c/r the raiser? I think my hand is pretty strong when I only have to worry about one opponent.