LCD TV Bargain?

shortys94

Hello

In Homebase there is a 26" LCD TV Goodmans on sale.

HD READY

The price is €739 and I thought thats a good price for instore.

2 x SCART
1 x PC INPUT
1 x AUDIO
1 x VGA ( I THINK)
The HD input on the box said it was something like DVI input with included DVI to HDMI input cable....
Would this mean it would carry sound on the HDMI?

Anyway is this a bargain? I could not find the resolution on the box and the clerk wasnt helpful. Sorry about hazy specs but I cannot find the same hd ready 26" lcd goodmans on the net.

Im not too sure about that HD interface though, could some one tell me more about the cable etc.

Bargain?

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

HD "ready" is not a HD TV. you have been warned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_ready

the big TV manufacturers are up a creak with out a paddle...
they have to get rid of all the plasma, flat screen and wide screen before next year when HD broadcasting will become main stream... hence they invented "HD READY". a way of offloading the existing stock of tv's.
if i was you i would not buy a tv until next year or so.
the technology is ready to change.
just like when wide screen came in a couple of years ago.

shortys94

It has a DVI input, is that not for HD? And it has the dvi to hdmi input cable.....

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

shortys94 wrote:

It has a DVI input, is that not for HD? And it has the dvi to hdmi input cable.....

be very careful... hd is the amount of pixels in the screen, not the amount of connections in the back.

shortys94

If I found out the resoulution and response time before buying would you consider it a good buy....

Sizzler

shortys94 wrote:

Hello

In Homebase there is a 26" LCD TV Goodmans on sale.

HD READY

The price is €739 and I thought thats a good price for instore.

2 x SCART
1 x PC INPUT
1 x AUDIO
1 x VGA ( I THINK)
The HD input on the box said it was something like DVI input with included DVI to HDMI input cable....
Would this mean it would carry sound on the HDMI?

Anyway is this a bargain? I could not find the resolution on the box and the clerk wasnt helpful. Sorry about hazy specs but I cannot find the same hd ready 26" lcd goodmans on the net.

Im not too sure about that HD interface though, could some one tell me more about the cable etc.

Bargain?

I think the clue here is "Goodmans" ! I wouldnt buy a goodmans toaster, let alone an LCD tv !

KTRIC

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

be very careful... hd is the amount of pixels in the screen, not the amount of connections in the back.

I'm getting a Samsung 42inch plasma on Saturday and its "HD ready" , how many pixels should it have to be a proper HD tv ?

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

K-TRIC wrote:

I'm getting a Samsung 42inch plasma on Saturday and its "HD ready" , how many pixels should it have to be a proper HD tv ?

Most HD-ready sets do not have enough pixels to give true pixel-for-pixel representation without interpolation of higher HD resolutions. The standard HD is 1920x1080 or 1280x720 but obviously when buying a new TV one should be looking for 1920x1080 with HDMI cabibilities other wise it is out of date before you get it home.
Remember the TV manufactures and stores need to shift their existing stock...so they will tell you that HD Ready is compatible... just beware

shortys94

I didnt know Goodmans were a bad brand

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

shortys94 wrote:

I didnt know Goodmans were a bad brand

that will be fine, it will only have to do ya for about a year or so till you have to buy a HDTV,

Smoggy

HOLD THE FRONTPAGE

"HD READY" is what you SHOULD be looking out for !!!
and the fact that the TV is goodmans makes VERY little difference as there are only a few LCD Panel makers, all of them being good !

KTRIC

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

Most HD-ready sets do not have enough pixels to give true pixel-for-pixel representation without interpolation of higher HD resolutions. The standard HD is 1920x1080 or 1280x720 but obviously when buying a new TV one should be looking for 1920x1080 with HDMI cabibilities other wise it is out of date before you get it home.
Remember the TV manufactures and stores need to shift their existing stock...so they will tell you that HD Ready is compatible... just beware

The TV i'm getting has 1024 X 768, its a Samsung PS42C7HDX. It says in the specifications of the tv on their website that it does 1080i !!!

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

K-TRIC wrote:

The TV i'm getting has 1024 X 768, its a Samsung PS42C7HDX. It says in the specifications of the tv on their website that it does 1080i !!!

didn't think they were out yet, but if it is 1920x1080 with HDMI then go for it. that is the spec for HDTV as opposed to "HD READY"

Smoggy

Requirements for the logo “HD ready”
The EICTA "HD ready" Minimum Requirements for display devices are neutral towards the
technology used (plasma, LCD, DLP, DLA, LCoS, CRT, ...) as well as the implementation
thereof (flat panel, rear projection, front projection, direct view, ...).
A display device has to cover the following requirements to be awarded the logo “HD ready”:
1. Display, display engine
• The minimum native resolution of the display or display engine is 720
physical lines in wide aspect ratio.
2. Video Interfaces
• The display device accepts HD input via:
o Analogue YPbPr1, and
o DVI or HDMI
• HD capable inputs accept the following HD video formats:
o 1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive (“720p”), and
o 1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced (“1080i”)
• The DVI or HDMI input supports content protection (HDCP)

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Smoggy wrote:

Requirements for the logo “HD ready”
The EICTA "HD ready" Minimum Requirements for display devices are neutral towards the
technology used (plasma, LCD, DLP, DLA, LCoS, CRT, ...) as well as the implementation
thereof (flat panel, rear projection, front projection, direct view, ...).
A display device has to cover the following requirements to be awarded the logo “HD ready”:
1. Display, display engine
• The minimum native resolution of the display or display engine is 720
physical lines in wide aspect ratio.
2. Video Interfaces
• The display device accepts HD input via:
o Analogue YPbPr1, and
o DVI or HDMI
• HD capable inputs accept the following HD video formats:
o 1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive (“720p”), and
o 1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced (“1080i”)
• The DVI or HDMI input supports content protection (HDCP)

and here is the paragraph above what you quoted from my previous Wikipedia link.

The fact that a product bears the label "HD ready" does not necessarily mean that it can display the full picture resolution possible from a HD source. Most HD-ready sets do not have enough pixels (1920x1080 or 1280x720) to give true pixel-for-pixel representation without interpolation of higher HD resolutions.

The term HD compatible is also being used in Europe to indicate that a display device has HDMI capability but with lower than HD-ready resolution.

Smoggy

so why does it say :

"The minimum native resolution of the display or display engine is 720"

making your statement of :

"Most HD-ready sets do not have enough pixels (1920x1080 or 1280x720) to give true pixel-for-pixel representation without interpolation of higher HD resolutions."

Impossible, as to be HD Ready it needs to be 720 as a minimum.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Smoggy wrote:

so why does it say :

"The minimum native resolution of the display or display engine is 720"

making your statement of :

"Most HD-ready sets do not have enough pixels (1920x1080 or 1280x720) to give true pixel-for-pixel representation without interpolation of higher HD resolutions."

Impossible, as to be HD Ready it needs to be 720 as a minimum.

my statment was lifted from the second paragraph of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_ready

and besides you don't understand the statement do you...
read it again slowly.... 1920x1080 or 1280x720 is HD.... its saying that most HD READY TV don't have 1920x1080 or 1280x720 :rolleyes:

master reading first, then go into the audio and vision business...

anyway don't have time for this... I'm out of here enjoy the rest of your rant and thanks of your input.

anybody have any more questions i can help with PM me.

Sizzler

shortys94 wrote:

I didnt know Goodmans were a bad brand

LOL !!

FFS ! Goodmans !

Try looking at Sony/Philips/Panasonic, you're only wasting your time otherwise.

If you dont give a fock though about quality then work away. The fact people are looking in focking DIY stores for TV's says it all!

CivilServant

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

my statment was lifted from the second paragraph of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_ready

and besides you don't understand the statement do you...
read it again slowly.... 1920x1080 or 1280x720 is HD.... its saying that most HD READY TV don't have 1920x1080 or 1280x720 :rolleyes:

master reading first, then go into the audio and vision business...

anyway don't have time for this... I'm out of here enjoy the rest of your rant and thanks of your input.

anybody have any more questions i can help with PM me.

I think you're getting everything confused with HD compatible. HD Ready is what people should be looking for. That is a digital connection (DVI/HDMI) with HDCP and a minimum of 720 lines vertical resolution. There are differences within in the HD Ready spec is often the cause for confusion.

I'm going to make up my own HD Ready subset spec. Here it goes.

HD Ready C - 1024x768 panels, these are normally plasmas. Starting from 42".

HD Ready B - 1280x720 panels, vast majority of LCDs and 50"+ plasmas

HD Ready A - 1920x1080 panels, very expensive plasmas, and very expensive lcds.

All of these fall within the HD Ready spec, but there are obvious price differences between all of these types of HD Ready TVs. Hope that explains it a bit clearer.

(edit:typo)

BendiBus

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

and besides you don't understand the statement do you...
read it again slowly.... 1920x1080 or 1280x720 is HD.... its saying that most HD READY TV don't have 1920x1080 or 1280x720 :rolleyes:

master reading first, then go into the audio and vision business...

If you're going to explain things then stop being arrogant and cryptic and explain them clearly.

If HD Ready must have 720 lines then are you implying they don't have 1280 pixels across? Because you haven't actually said that.

Smoggy

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

HD "ready" is not a HD TV.

Yes it is.

An HDready set, will display both 720p and 1080i footage, by definition. It needs to display both these HD formats, in order to obtain the HDready mark.

I suggest you go have a read of http://www.eicta.org/cms/site/showdoc.asp?id=407 just so you know what HDready actually is.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

the big TV manufacturers are up a creak with out a paddle...
they have to get rid of all the plasma, flat screen and wide screen before next year when HD broadcasting will become main stream... hence they invented "HD READY". a way of offloading the existing stock of tv's.

Total nonsense.
HDready is a scheme invented by EICTA, to simplify the buying process for the consumer. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the manufacturers, and was infact specifically invented to bypass their "marketing claims".
HDready sets are still being released today. The technology is brand new.
To suggest all existing HDready sets are in need of "offloading" is loonacy.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

be very careful... hd is the amount of pixels in the screen, not the amount of connections in the back.

Correct.
And luckily, any set labelled as HDready, has at least enough pixels to display 720p content. Handily, it's also guaranteed to display 1080i content...

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

Most HD-ready sets do not have enough pixels to give true pixel-for-pixel representation without interpolation of higher HD resolutions.

Agreed.
Luckily, this isn't important. All HDready sets can display 720p without interpolation, and 1080p content doesn't really exist as yet. 1080i will need interpolation, which happens to give an excellent result when used with interlaced footage...

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

The standard HD is 1920x1080 or 1280x720

Incorrect.
The standard HD is 1080i and 720p. Both of which will display on HDready devices without issue as above. 1080p is neither here nor there, for now...

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

...if it is 1920x1080 with HDMI then go for it. that is the spec for HDTV as opposed to "HD READY"

Poppycock.
The spec for European HDTV, is HDready - this is the whole point of the scheme
You appear to be under the impression that HDTV is 1080p ? Even though there isn't any 1080p content in Europe as yet ?

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

and here is the paragraph above what you quoted from my previous Wikipedia link.

The fact that a product bears the label "HD ready" does not necessarily mean that it can display the full picture resolution possible from a HD source. Most HD-ready sets do not have enough pixels (1920x1080 or 1280x720) to give true pixel-for-pixel representation without interpolation of higher HD resolutions.

A paragraph that is clearly WRONG !
Far from the above, infact ALL HDready sets, have at LEAST enough pixels to display 720p content - because if they didn't, they wouldn't be HDready
It would read correctly, if the words "or 1280x720" were removed...

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

my statment was lifted from the second paragraph of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_ready

Perhaps you should do your own research, rather than lifting wholesale from the den-of-innacuracy that is the WikiPedia ?

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

and besides you don't understand the statement do you...

Excuse me ?

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

read it again slowly.... 1920x1080 or 1280x720 is HD.... its saying that most HD READY TV don't have 1920x1080 or 1280x720

Except that ALL HDready TVs have at LEAST 1280x720 pixels !

Do you see the error ?

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

master reading first, then go into the audio and vision business...

Excuse me ?

Can you not make your point without resorting to insults ?

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

anyway don't have time for this... I'm out of here

Great, bye !!!

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

enjoy the rest of your rant and thanks of your input.

Rant ?
I say again, excuse me ??

muffler

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

master reading first, then go into the audio and vision business...

anyway don't have time for this... I'm out of here enjoy the rest of your rant and thanks of your input.

Thats a very arrogant manner to adopt. Christ you're posting here now for all of .....less than 2 months and you think that earns you the right to insult people.

I think if you have nothing positive to contribute then just stay on your high horse and leave the rest of the members in peace

BendiBus

muffler wrote:

I think if you have nothing positive to contribute then just stay on your high horse and leave the rest of the members in peace

It does appear he was talking from the wrong orifice anyway so he won't be missed.

squire1

Ok, this is all mumbo jumbo to me. I checked out this forum to see if there was and good value to be had in TV's at the moment.

Am I correct in saying that if I buy a HDready TV now I will be able to watch it for years and it's not going to become obsolete? That's all I want to know. I thought pixels were at the bottom of my garden:D

okidoki987

Power City in Bray having a one day sale tomorrow
You might find something here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054960734

Spud Murphy

:cool: i am a firm beliver that get what you paid for. goodmans are around
years, not very well known, i think i would rather buy a sony or phillips. little dearer but at least you know what you are getting.????