Live PLHE 1/2 hand

spectre

This hand happened a few months ago one Friday night/Saturday morning in the Fitz. I arrived in a very drunken state and have been very loose and aggressive at the feeder tables. I have been at the main table for about two hours, I'm starting to sober up a little at this stage but still quite loose.

I look down at AK on my BB, lots of limpers as usual and I pot to 15, two callers (our villain is in early-mid position, a good solid player). I have about 600, villain covers.

Flop comes KJ4r (50)

I bet 30, villain thinks for a second then calls, other caller folds.

Turn is an irrelavent deuce (pot is 110)
I check (with the intention of check raising...COMMENTS)
Villain bets 60, I make it 200. Villain seems quite taken aback by this, however I can tell that he likes his hand, he asks me for a count of my remaining chips and seems to be seriously contemplating putting me all-in. Eventually, he flat calls. Immediately I know that I'm beaten, I put him on KJ or possibly 44.

"Ace the board! " I cry to myself as the dealer burns and turns the river. He duly obliges and I almost immediately bet out 200. I'm not afraid of a straight here. Villain thinks for a while, I now know he has KJ, eventually he folds his hand. I show and rake in a nice pot. He confirms that it was indeed KJ

I hate my play in this hand. I think the villain played the hand well. I welcome comments and recommendations as to how it should've been played.

brianmc

I'll take a shot at this. I think you want to keep the pot small here.

Check call the flop.

Check call the turn.

Check raise the river.

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Edit: Or check call the river - read dependant

Lafortezza

I prefer betting the turn instead of check-raising. When you c/r to 200, if Villain pushes all-in it's very difficult to be happy continuing with one pair. If you bet the turn for 90 and Villain then raises to 200 or so, you've found out that your hand probably isn't good, but you've committed less money to find this out.
If you bet the turn and get called, check-calling the river depending on Villains bet size seems standard.

cardshark202

In this game, depending on opponent, it is often ok to get in 500BBs or more with just TPTK. Anyway in this hand, bet the flop, bet the turn and A: fold to a raise if villian is good, B: call a raise or even push depending on villians donkness ability. If called all the way again bet the river (assuming opponent is an idiot), the amount again being dependant on the donkiness of an opponent.

Btw I am pretty sure I was the villain in this spot and I think I remember talking to you about it afterwards for a brief moment.

willis

Lol, most of us will tell you to lead the turn(best line imo) but by check raising you have now won the pot. If you lead the turn, villain woulda reraised and you may have had to muck imo. Lead turn best line i think.

BTW anybody ever check the river with AK here to induce a bet? We look so strong with our turn check raise, can we now look weak with a check? Or should we always bet the river

ianmc38

I hate building large pots oop with one pair and generally take a more passive line postflop.

The check-raise on the turn is horrible. I don't know what you were trying to accomplish there (essentially it's a bluff).

I don't like leading the turn either. If we lead the turn and get raised, we've paid 1/2 pot - full pot to find out we are beaten. We have a good hand that has some showdown value but not a great one, therefore we want to try and get there as cheap as possible.

As played, we must value bet the river.

spectre

ianmc38 wrote:

I hate building large pots oop with one pair and generally take a more passive line postflop.

The check-raise on the turn is horrible. I don't know what you were trying to accomplish there (essentially it's a bluff).

I don't like leading the turn either. If we lead the turn and get raised, we've paid 1/2 pot - full pot to find out we are beaten. We have a good hand that has some showdown value but not a great one, therefore we want to try and get there as cheap as possible.

As played, we must value bet the river.

This is precisely how I feel about the hand. Check-raising accomplishes nothing except getting our opponent to fold hands like KQ AJ and builds big pots against hands I'm behind in. I guess I was trying to end the hand there and then. As you say I'm bluffing here.

I'm not sure about check-calling the turn though, in a live situation, as cardshark says, it is opponent based and often OK to get a lot of your stack in here as opponents will often call bets to the river with KQ, JT, AJ and lots more trash like AT, TT etc..

Of course in this situation the villain happens to be cardshark, so perhaps check-calling the turn would've been the best line. Sorry about the bad beat mate, now I feel even more embarassed about the hand. WP. UL

cardshark202

spectre wrote:

This is precisely how I feel about the hand. Check-raising accomplishes nothing except getting our opponent to fold hands like KQ AJ and builds big pots against hands I'm behind in. I guess I was trying to end the hand there and then. As you say I'm bluffing here.

I'm not sure about check-calling the turn though, in a live situation, as cardshark says, it is opponent based and often OK to get a lot of your stack in here as opponents will often call bets to the river with KQ, JT, AJ and lots more trash like AT, TT etc..

Of course in this situation the villain happens to be cardshark, so perhaps check-calling the turn would've been the best line. Sorry about the bad beat mate, now I feel even more embarassed about the hand. WP. UL

No worries. It was a suck-re-suck moment thats all. I could have pushed the turn but I was almost sure I knew what you had and you would fold if I did. I thought calling and value-betting the river was a better line in this spot for me. Unfortunately the river made me change my mind so I had to fold