600 euro average wage?

cinnamon

I read in the papers last week this was the average wage - is this true? Cos that is a lot. I know I'm not getting that and most ppl I know with good jobs aren't getting that. I know of some trades ppl who are getting this but when you add up all the people on minimum wage, surely the average should be a lot less.
Sometimes I wonder am I living at all

Basq

A week?! Christ.. i'm in the wrong job! :eek:

Guy:Incognito

Youd be surprised how much a few people earning 500k a year will pull the average up.

Plus. €600 a week is only 31k a year. Thats just above entry level for accountants and the like.

My cousin got a job with a programming company straight out of college and started on 28k so in a year or two should be over 30k and on the average. It's certainly doable. 4th year apprentic emoney is around €630

Dub13

Yes 600 X 52 = 31200,i think the average right now is 33k a year.

Basq

I assume the actual average wage would typically drop outside of Dublin though.. for instance, someone working a job in Sligo would not be expected to earn as much as someone working the same job in Dublin.

Would i be correct in this assumption?

leeroybrown

The €600 figure you have seen is the CSO's measured 'average industrial wage'. The average rises to just below €700 when clerical and managerial staff are included. Those on huge salaries won't be included in these figures.

Agent Smith

€600 a week is doable, is only 31000 a year or so, as mentioned

trades people, can earn at least twice that, if willing to work

the_syco

Are all those goverment people in their cushy jobs (which, as part of some partnership, get all their wages increased every so often) included?

Gillo

Bear in mind that that is pre-tax, when PAYE is taken off it is lower. I think that may be causing some confusion.

dudara

Yup, when I first read the figure, I mistook it for take home pay

Basq

dudara wrote:

Yup, when I first read the figure, I mistook it for take home pay

So did i... thank feck!

TerrorFirmer

basquille wrote:

So did i... thank feck!

That doesn't sound exactly high either though. Working as a basic clerical officer at salary level 2 in the HSE I get about 400 take home a week.....and this is the lowest of the low paying jobs to be honest. 200 less then the figure quoted yes, but again, considering its a basic entry level job with no real requirements....I'd imagine most people who went to college or even who've been working for a decent length of time in any given role would reasonably be expecting to earn alot more! Or am I totally mistaken in that assumption? In my current job, I get increases yearly, which would mean I could still be at the lowest level, Grade III, which has no real requirements, and be earning 33k a year eventually....which would easily be 600 a week.

I saw my mothers pay slip a few weeks ago when I opened it by mistake thinking it was my own....2k a week! Hard work, you get out what you put in, etc and all that, but I was really jealous....ah well, low wages do me fine to be honest, I'm surviving just fine as I am

oulu

Just heard on the radio average industrial wage is 32K in ireland

wes

Out of college under a year and getting about 500. Reckon I will hit that (and above with a bit of luck) when I get my annual review in September. Sure isn't this what we should be expecting with the celtic tiger and all?

KTRIC

I'm on €750 per week IT contracting, but thats before tax and alot of tax at that.:rolleyes:

Zombienosh

Getting less than half of the amount posted...... I'm planning killing my boss so its ok.

jesus_thats_gre

If you have a degree and are working for 1/2/3 years I would not expect to be earning any less than what has been stated above. Its the standard amount, well in Dublin or near Dublin that is..

conical

HavoK wrote:

I saw my mothers pay slip a few weeks ago when I opened it by mistake thinking it was my own....2k a week!

What does she do if you don't mind me asking?

-C

muckwarrior

Well even a labourer on a building site these days can make well over €600 after tax, so it's not suprising that the average wage is around that.

There's kinda somethin wrong when I spend years goin to college to get a degree so I can get a job that pays less than walking onto a site with no experience.

Madge

muckwarrior wrote:

There's kinda somethin wrong when I spend years goin to college to get a degree so I can get a job that pays less than walking onto a site with no experience.

I know what you mean, but then I guess working on a building site might be harder than working in a comfortable warm office.

Wishbone Ash

muckwarrior wrote:

Well even a labourer on a building site these days can make well over €600 after tax, so it's not suprising that the average wage is around that.

There's kinda somethin wrong when I spend years goin to college to get a degree so I can get a job that pays less than walking onto a site with no experience.

When people talk about the "average industrial wage" does the figure include Sunday/Bank Holiday premiums, shift allowances, night premiums, overtime etc.

The reason I ask is that I gross about €90k with premiums, allowances and overtime but my basic would be about half of that.

muckwarrior

Well it wasn't the best job in the winter, but overall I actually really enjoyed it! Especially in weather like this.

Saruman

I do not quite make that Then again i do have a company car(focus van not used for personal use) and a fuel card. I do not have to pay BIK so thats pretty good

leeroybrown

muckwarrior wrote:

Well even a labourer on a building site these days can make well over €600 after tax, so it's not suprising that the average wage is around that.

Just to clarify the statistical basis for the CSO's figures. This surver refers to a specific (albeit extremely large) group of employees. The following definition is applied to an Industrial worker (see this CSO pdf):

Industrial Workers:
This employment category includes operatives, maintenance workers, storekeepers, packers, cleaners, basic supervisory staff and apprentices.

The €600 figure is based on a survey of those who work on industrial sites and are classified as 'Industrial Workers' and excludes 'Managerial' and 'Clerical' workers.

This isn't the average national wage - it's the average wage of an non-managerial/non-clerical worker in industry.

ozt9vdujny3srf

conical wrote:

What does she do if you don't mind me asking?

-C

The oldest profession there is!

Wishbone Ash

leeroybrown wrote:

The €600 figure is based on a survey of those who work on industrial sites classified as 'Industrial Workers' and excludes 'Managerial' and 'Clerical' workers.

This isn't the average national wage - it's the average wage of an non-managerial/non-clerical worker in industry.

Ironically though, most of these workers will have shift allowances and weekend/Bank holiday/night premiums which will significantly boost wages.

Most managers are paid a salary and work "office hours".

Prison Officers - 18 year old starts on €50k with no experience/qualifications before factoring in overtime/premiums! ( and the POA rejected this offer first time!)

TempestSabre

Wishbone Ash wrote:

When people talk about the "average industrial wage" does the figure include Sunday/Bank Holiday premiums, shift allowances, night premiums, overtime etc.

The reason I ask is that I gross about €90k with premiums, allowances and overtime but my basic would be about half of that.

What industry is that in! 90k is pretty good! 3x average wage!

leeroybrown

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Ironically though, most of these workers will have shift allowances and weekend/Bank holiday/night premiums which will significantly boost wages.

Most managers are paid a salary and work "office hours".

Agreed. I'm also salaried and work "office hours", but I do get a very large degree of flexibility in return for those "quotes". I worked compressed working week shifts for six weeks a few years ago and I was getting 45% extra for it.

I've worked with people who worked shifts have been offered more interesting, more challanging and ultimately better career jobs that were "office hours" but ended up turning them down due to the financial implications.

Wishbone Ash

TempestSabre wrote:

What industry is that in! 90k is pretty good! 3x average wage!

It's not in industry but I'd prefer not to say what it is.

Saruman

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Prison Officers - 18 year old starts on €50k with no experience/qualifications before factoring in overtime/premiums! ( and the POA rejected this offer first time!)

Actually you have to be 19 to start working there. Also i doubt its actually 50k basic... maybe taking into account overtime it works out that high.

Wishbone Ash

leeroybrown wrote:

I've worked with people who worked shifts have been offered more interesting, more challanging and ultimately better career jobs that were "office hours" but ended up turning them down due to the financial implications.

Yes I took promotion recently and lost about 10% of my gross (i.e. no more night allowances)

TempestSabre

Wishbone Ash wrote:

It's not in industry but I'd prefer not to say what it is.

A job not in an industry? Curious.

Wishbone Ash

TempestSabre wrote:

A job not in an industry? Curious.

Health Service!

leeroybrown

Saruman wrote:

Actually you have to be 19 to start working there. Also i doubt its actually 50k basic... maybe taking into account overtime it works out that high.

According to the CSO public sector earnings figures (2004) a prison officer averaged €1,067.60 weekly (€801.01 excluding overtime).

TempestSabre

The Health Service, is a service industry, or the Heath Industry is it not? Semantics maybe.

Wishbone Ash

TempestSabre wrote:

The Health Service, is a service industry, or the Heath Industry is it not? Semantics maybe.

I take your point but I always think of industry as "manufacturing" type organisations.

Gone West

Its allright, I guess. Depends on what youre doing.

I'm 19 and taking home twice that in a summer job. Then back to college in September.

leeroybrown

TempestSabre wrote:

The Health Service, is a service industry, or the Heath Industry is it not? Semantics maybe.

The difference between being a PD and a Social Democrat?

Anyway, seeing as the CSO isn't including them in the 'Industrial' figures...

TempestSabre

LOL

I'm in IT industry, but in the Public Sector. So I'm completely confused where I fit in.

Rabies

dudara wrote:

Yup, when I first read the figure, I mistook it for take home pay

That is my take home pay after tax.
Get about €2k bonus split over the year, end of summer and christmas (perfect for time)

Agent Smith

Ashlynn Worried Worshiper wrote:

The oldest profession there is!

A BAKERY!

gary the great

I did a degree and now theres feck all jobs in that area, so im just finished college and looking for a career path to take so this thread is intresting to see how much different jobs earn...

TempestSabre

Have a look at the CPL salary survey. Thats interesting.

smemon

FuzzyLogic wrote:

Its allright, I guess. Depends on what youre doing.

I'm 19 and taking home twice that in a summer job. Then back to college in September.

your on €1200 a week? :eek: doing what may i ask

hell, i'd quit college if i could earn that a week.

glenrichkid

This guy asked me to do a bit of work for him I met him on a training course and he now passes me work when he's busy which more often than not I've to refuse - if you're IT minded it's easy peasy
http://www.freelanceireland.ie/view.php?m=4878