Tyrone are gone...yes

blackbelt

Thought I would start a thread on this as nobody else is really talking about it.

I watched the game yesterday between Laois and Tyrone and I must say that Laois have bounced back as I expected against Tyrone.Its nice to see the Leinster teams start to dominate and silence the critics by knocking out Ulster teams.

Kildare beat Cavan
Wexford beat Monaghan
Laois beat Tyrone

Seeing Tyrone being knocked out was a real joy.I would go as far as to say it was one of those pleasures that rank alongside sex.Now hopefully we can concentrate on watching clean,free flowing football from the likes of Dublin,Mayo,Galway,Kerry,Cork,Donegal and Fermanagh.

It goes to show that without Peter Canavan and Brian Dooher,Tyrone are in the minor leagues.Teams like Dublin,Mayo or Galway may now fancy being in the big three because Tyrone are nowhere near those rankings.

solskjaer20

What does it matter about Tyrone, Dublin, Mayo or any of thse teams?

Sam is coming back over the Glenshane Pass this year anyway.

stevemac

are ye gonna kidnap him

whassupp2

...probably not. they'll just get a few players from the winning team to do a visit around the county with Sam and throw them as few bob.

solskjaer20

Now now we'll just have to wait and see.

Breezer

blackbelt wrote:

It goes to show that without Peter Canavan and Brian Dooher,Tyrone are in the minor leagues.Teams like Dublin,Mayo or Galway may now fancy being in the big three because Tyrone are nowhere near those rankings.

I'm no fan of Tyrone (at least not usually; when they actually play free-flowing football they're a joy to watch but unfortunately it doesn't happen too often. The exception being Sean Cavanagh, a pure legend and a credit to any team; probably one or two others too but he springs to mind). And despite being a Dub I'm a big Laois fan too, a part of me was genuinely crushed the other week when we beat them so badly. So yes, at first I was punching the air and whooping for joy when the final whistle sounded.

But to be fair to Tyrone, they were missing more than Canavan and Dooher. McGuigan, Gormley, Holmes, O'Neill and Cavlan were missing too (the last two came on, and yes, they scored a few points, but they weren't firing on all cylinders and were missed for most of the match). That's 7 players, or nearly half a team, missing from the team that won the All-Ireland.

I'm not taking away from what Laois did. To come back from the hammering Dublin gave them to defeat the All-Ireland champions (depleted, yes, but you still have to take into account the phychological effect of Tyrone being the title-holders) took huge determination and mental courage. Laois are on the rampage, and if they happen to come up against Dublin again it's gonna be one hell of a game.

But Tyrone will be back next year, with a point to prove yet again. And to be honest, provided they play a decent amount of proper football, I'm relishing the prospect. I just hope Dublin get a chance to play them then

solskjaer20

Seán Cavanagh has lived all his life in Armagh by the way.

</Pointless*>

*Pointless much like Tyrone's first 42 minutes against Doire.

DUB

I agree with Breeser, in a way it's a shame to see a team capable of playing such good football gone already not to be seen again till 2007. In my opinion the GAA season is still a bit of a mess but anyway thats another thread. From a purely selfish point of view they're one of the big three gone which obviously gives us 'second tier' teams encouragement. Well done to Laois all the same, I had a feeling yez would do it, bloody awful conditions.

DUB

blackbelt wrote:

It goes to show that without Peter Canavan and Brian Dooher,Tyrone are in the minor leagues.Teams like Dublin,Mayo or Galway may now fancy being in the big three because Tyrone are nowhere near those rankings.

I agree that it's great to see Leinster counties doing well v Ulster as Leinster football has taken a lot of stick in the last few years.

Tyrone have been involved in some ... eh ... colourful matches in Ulster alright but usually when they emerge from Ulster they can play some great football. If you took players like Dooher, McGuigan Canavan and O'Neill out of any team they'd struggle to perform, especially when you consider all the other knocks and scrapes thay've had this year. They were there for the taking, I don't think any team could live with the luck they've had this year. I thought Mickey Harte took it graciously.They'll be back!

cournioni

solskjaer20 wrote:

Seán Cavanagh has lived all his life in Armagh by the way.

Bit like Enda Muldoon living in Tyrone all of his life then so...

Flukey

Tyrone 2006 is very different to Tyrone 2005. Laois would not have stood a chance against a full strength Tyrone. Only some of the Ulster teams are strong, so knocking teams like Cavan out is not a measure of the strength of Leinster Football rising against Ulster Football. We'll have to wait until the latter stages of the championship for that.

solskjaer20

Bit like Enda Muldoon living in Tyrone all of his life then so...

Touché.

I'm a neighbour of Enda's actually, but I live on the right side of the Derry/Tyrone border.....just.

DUB

Flukey wrote:

Tyrone 2006 is very different to Tyrone 2005. Laois would not have stood a chance against a full strength Tyrone. Only some of the Ulster teams are strong, so knocking teams like Cavan out is not a measure of the strength of Leinster Football rising against Ulster Football. We'll have to wait until the latter stages of the championship for that.

well for the last few years almost any Ulster v Leinster match ended in a Ulster win, so it's good to see any Leinster win over northern opposition.

Lemlin

blackbelt wrote:

Thought I would start a thread on this as nobody else is really talking about it.

I watched the game yesterday between Laois and Tyrone and I must say that Laois have bounced back as I expected against Tyrone.Its nice to see the Leinster teams start to dominate and silence the critics by knocking out Ulster teams.

Kildare beat Cavan
Wexford beat Monaghan
Laois beat Tyrone

Seeing Tyrone being knocked out was a real joy.I would go as far as to say it was one of those pleasures that rank alongside sex.Now hopefully we can concentrate on watching clean,free flowing football from the likes of Dublin,Mayo,Galway,Kerry,Cork,Donegal and Fermanagh.

It goes to show that without Peter Canavan and Brian Dooher,Tyrone are in the minor leagues.Teams like Dublin,Mayo or Galway may now fancy being in the big three because Tyrone are nowhere near those rankings.

Without the likes of Dooher and Cavanavan Tyrone are in the minor leagues? Typical BS from yourself once more Blackbelt. Sorry for the strong use of language but I have to call it like I see it.

You're talking about a team here that have won 2 All-Irelands in the last 3 years. Tyrone being knocked out being akin to sex!?

Get a grip and stop talking sh!te. I don't even like Tyrone but feel that what you are saying is totally outrageous. I'd expect this from netwhizkid but you've never gone this far before.

ps. Leinster teams haven't started to dominate anything, as pointed out above, wait until a few of them at least make it to the quarters/semis before you start proclaiming that. In saying that, fair play to all the Leinster teams who did win in the qualifiers. It's about time

smashey

solskjaer20 wrote:

Seán Cavanagh has lived all his life in Armagh by the way.

</Pointless*>

*Pointless much like Tyrone's first 42 minutes against Doire.

Aye and Derry's 70 minutes against Donegal.:D

conjon

Flukey wrote:

Tyrone 2006 is very different to Tyrone 2005. Laois would not have stood a chance against a full strength Tyrone. Only some of the Ulster teams are strong, so knocking teams like Cavan out is not a measure of the strength of Leinster Football rising against Ulster Football. We'll have to wait until the latter stages of the championship for that.

Like the Dubs did against Tyrone last year
Laois played with more balls than I have seen them play with over the last couple of years. IMO, if we'd played with that level of intensity we'd have won the last three Leinsters.
As for the strenghts of the teams/provinces, I think this weekend will be a good tell. The Dubs weren't tested against us, and it'll be interesting to see the Connaught final. I was very impressed with Kerry when they murdered us in the league semi final, but they didn't play that well against Cork. Armagh despite a bad league have come through Ulster again which is a great achievement. Overall, in terms of potential outside All Ireland winners, I am looking forward to seeing Galway on Sunday.

blackbelt

Lemlin,I posted that bit of Tyrone being knocked out compared to sex for your benefit because I love arguing with you.I knew it would draw you out as you are v quiet these days but with that said,without Canavan ,Dooher and Mcguigan Tyrone ARE in the minor leagues and thats calling it as I see it.

My hatred of Tyrone is stronger than yours and if the results of those aforementioned matches/qualifiers were reversed,I am sure you would resureect the Ulster teams dominance in gaelic football.Now I am answering the call of Leinster football as you do Ulster football.

Lemlin

blackbelt wrote:

Lemlin,I posted that bit of Tyrone being knocked out compared to sex for your benefit because I love arguing with you.I knew it would draw you out as you are v quiet these days but with that said,without Canavan ,Dooher and Mcguigan Tyrone ARE in the minor leagues and thats calling it as I see it.

My hatred of Tyrone is stronger than yours and if the results of those aforementioned matches/qualifiers were reversed,I am sure you would resureect the Ulster teams dominance in gaelic football.Now I am answering the call of Leinster football as you do Ulster football.

Sadly, I've seen very little of the Championship this year with work so I haven't been on here much. That said...

This really proves you have no idea what you are talking about so. You're knocking a team who has won 2 out of the last 3 All-Irelands. Tyrone have nothing to prove, especially to you.

I have no hatred for Tyrone, just don't like their style of football. That doesn't stop me realising that they are a tremendous team.

You're not answering any call, just making a fool of yourself yet again. When two or three of the semi final teams in the All-Ireland are from Leinster (at least two have been from Ulster on countless occasions over the past few years), then you can claim that Leinster football is regaining some of its strength. So far it has done little. When was the last time a Leinster team even made the semis?

GAAman

Tyrone were found out

Simple as that man they have been playin very poorly as of late and you can whine and moan till the cows come home bout peter canavan not bein in the team but it makes no difference. He didnt play in the back nor the midfield so they aint missin him there (i know he ran back and mucked out but you know what i mean) To me its like Dubs sayin "well we didnt have dessie or charlie out there today" and its a cop out rather then admit the real reasons. They havent bein playin well since feb when Dublin beat them at their own game and other teams followed suit.

I hate tyrone up until the final whistle but the guy who loves the sport in me wants to see them play well again to make the competition more interestin

Nalced_irl

I would like to say im sad Tyrone are gone but......nah, im delighted! The sooner their negative style of football gets quashed the better. I would have liked to get another shot at them tho in Croker. I think we could have beaten them this year. Great to see Laois bounce back positively also.

DUB

GAAman wrote:

Tyrone were found out

Simple as that man they have been playin very poorly as of late and you can whine and moan till the cows come home bout peter canavan not bein in the team but it makes no difference. He didnt play in the back nor the midfield so they aint missin him there (i know he ran back and mucked out but you know what i mean) To me its like Dubs sayin "well we didnt have dessie or charlie out there today" and its a cop out rather then admit the real reasons. They havent bein playin well since feb when Dublin beat them at their own game and other teams followed suit.

I hate tyrone up until the final whistle but the guy who loves the sport in me wants to see them play well again to make the competition more interestin

I think your dislike of Tyrone is getting in the way of your logic. The reason they've been playing badly all year is quite obvious and it's got nothing to do with being 'found out'

Waylander

I agree with Dub, and surprisingly Lemlin:) , Tyrone are a quality side, and any other side missing as many of their big names would be in the same boat. The reason I dislike Tyrone is because I think they are the only team in the country capable of playing as good football as Kerry can, the games against Dublin last year being an example, but usually they resort to diving and fouling and pretty much any cynical means they can. It annoys me that a team that can play so well does this. Even against Laois, I lost count of the amount of times a Tyrone players clattered into a Laois player just after he let the ball go. They are a better team then that, they do not need to do it, but they just dont seem to be able to help themselves.

blackbelt

Lemlin,Tyrone don't have to prove anything to me,its their fans they have to prove themselves to.I hate their style of football and I hate the way they conduct themselves in most matches.I would have rathered seen Dublin or any team like Mayo,Galway or Armagh or Laois beat Tyrone in Croke Park in good conditions with Canavan,Dooher et al playing.My point is that I think Tyrone are dirty.Their style is to foul and slow the tempo of the match and kill the game off.

If I am making a fool of myself then what have you done the last year?Leinster football is gradually improving so much that Leinster teams aren't being knocked out by what you refer to as..."weaker Ulster teams".There is no Ulster dominance anymore although I do admit the big threat to any team this year is Armagh who I think are strong favourites to win Sam along with Kerry,Mayo and Dublin.I think some of the remaining Ulster teams such as Donegal and Fermanagh will be knocked out before the semis.

Eaten bread is long forgotten Lemlin,its 2006 and things are changing.

DUB

I agree blackbelt, Armagh were quietly impressive the other day, that full forward lie is very dangerious especially if stevie mc gets back to his lethal best. I'd still not be comfortable meeting Fermanagh or Donegal either.

Lemlin

blackbelt wrote:

Lemlin,Tyrone don't have to prove anything to me,its their fans they have to prove themselves to.I hate their style of football and I hate the way they conduct themselves in most matches.I would have rathered seen Dublin or any team like Mayo,Galway or Armagh or Laois beat Tyrone in Croke Park in good conditions with Canavan,Dooher et al playing.My point is that I think Tyrone are dirty.Their style is to foul and slow the tempo of the match and kill the game off.

If I am making a fool of myself then what have you done the last year?Leinster football is gradually improving so much that Leinster teams aren't being knocked out by what you refer to as..."weaker Ulster teams".There is no Ulster dominance anymore although I do admit the big threat to any team this year is Armagh who I think are strong favourites to win Sam along with Kerry,Mayo and Dublin.I think some of the remaining Ulster teams such as Donegal and Fermanagh will be knocked out before the semis.

Eaten bread is long forgotten Lemlin,its 2006 and things are changing.

LOL, they don't even have anything to prove to their fans. Would you not be happy as a Dublin supporter if they won 2 All-Irelands in three years? Think your points through before you type them.

I have made points which I can back up. You are letting your attempt at getting a reaction from me and your hate for Tyrone get in the way of logic.

In fact, your hate for Tyrone shows that they are doing something right, why else would you hate them so strongly?

Btw, where exactly have I mentioned Ulster dominance this year? I made that point last year when it was relevant. It isn't this year and I haven't made it. I will say again though, the Leinster teams have won a few games. That is it. When two or three of them are in All-Ireland semis, then I will accept your point.

Also, if watching an opposition team lose is better than sex, either you haven't been getting alot or I suggest you practice a little That point was just downright ludicrous.

Waylander

Lemlin wrote:

In fact, your hate for Tyrone shows that they are doing something right, why else would you hate them so strongly?

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Does this explain why you seem to dislike Dublin so much?

Lemlin

Waylander wrote:

Lemlin wrote:

In fact, your hate for Tyrone shows that they are doing something right, why else would you hate them so strongly?

QUOTE]


Does this explain why you seem to dislike Dublin so much?

I don't dislike Dublin. I dislike Dublin supporters like Blackbelt who know absolutely nothing about football but seem to think they do.

Supporters who come on here and say stuff like that Jason Sherlock should be up for an All-Star because he's "Dublin's best player". This was said at a time when the man couldn't even get starting for the team and had been taken off against Meath.

Supporters who say Tyrone are in the minor leagues. Excuse me there mate, they've won two out of the last three All-Irelands. I don't like them but I can see what a great football team they are and their record shows that.

Supporters who can't see past their own bias to acknowledge the quality and skill of other teams. I remember countless Dublin supporters on here who reckoned Dublin were the 4th best team in Ireland last year. Why exactly? How did they prove this? Did they get to the semi-finals of the All-Ireland like Cork?

I could least numerous other reasons but I couldn't be bothered.

cruiserweight

Ah things are getting interesting here again

For what it is worth, Tyrone have played a lot of games over the past few years and it has caugt up with them in the form of injuries! I expect them to come back strongly next year! But I have to admit that I do not like their style of play, but when the play open football they are a joy to watch with the quality players they have!

As for the Leinster versus Ulster thing, Leinster teams seem to be doing better in the qualifiers this year, but we will have to wait for the quarter finals and see how many from each province are there before judgement can be passed! It will all depend on the draw!But with respect to the 2 Leinster vs Ulster clashes this weekend, I expect Derry to progress and am not sure about the other game, but in my unbiased opinion I will go with Wexford

Breezer

Blackbelt, in all fairness, take (for example) Cullen, Whelan and Keaney out of Dublin and we'd be in trouble.You saw what happened to us in the league with the suspensions after the Tyrone game. Strength in depth is a great thing to have but teams are built around their starting 15. And Tyrone have lost more than 3 key players.

With regards the whole Leinster/Ulster thing, it's still at the provincial championship stage as regards the bigger teams in each province, and therefore it's too early to tell. Laois and Dublin both had good games last time out, and Offaly could yet do some damage this year. Armagh are going strong too though, as are Donegal, and I don't think Derry are down and out yet either. I agree with Lemlin, wait till the semis, then we'll see what the story is. Though I wouldn't be surprised to see two Leinster teams there this time round. But we'll see.

kevmy

I'm glad Tyrone are out but i understand why they are Laois wouldn't have beat them full strength. The reason i don't like Tyrone is the fact that they can play great football - they have some brilliant players ( O'Neill, McGuigan, Cavanagh, McMenniman) - but they choose 80% of the time to go out and bruise their way to victory even when they could probably win easy playing good football. This becomes especially evident when they go behind by 2/3 points. The first thing they do is to try and stop the other team going any further ahead by any means possible and then claw their way back and win by a couple of points by the end. I saw this against Laois the last day, Mayo in 2004 when they beat them, any game against Armagh last year. Why they don't play their way out of trouble i'll never understand because they easily could.

Waylander

Lemlin wrote:

Waylander wrote:

ISupporters who can't see past their own bias to acknowledge the quality and skill of other teams. I remember countless Dublin supporters on here who reckoned Dublin were the 4th best team in Ireland last year. Why exactly? How did they prove this? Did they get to the semi-finals of the All-Ireland like Cork?

I could least numerous other reasons but I couldn't be bothered.

Lemlin to say you dont dislike Dublin is simply a lie. Take offence at that if you wish but review every post you have made about Dublin since you started posting here and it is pretty clear what your feelings towards Dublin are.

Also I am one of the people who subscribes to the view that Dublin would be fourth or fifth in the country. My reasoning is there are only threee teams that are clearly better teams. It is pretty simple logic, but if you still dont understand it, I can draw you a diagram. I dont have proof, as to have "proof" we would need Dublin to play every team in the country 5 or six times each, to eliminate bad days etc effecting our decision. Unfortunately that is not really practical. As a result we have to rely on making educated opinions.

munster30

blackbelt wrote:

Lemlin,I posted that bit of Tyrone being knocked out compared to sex for your benefit because I love arguing with you.I knew it would draw you out as you are v quiet these days but with that said,without Canavan ,Dooher and Mcguigan Tyrone ARE in the minor leagues and thats calling it as I see it.

My hatred of Tyrone is stronger than yours and if the results of those aforementioned matches/qualifiers were reversed,I am sure you would resureect the Ulster teams dominance in gaelic football.Now I am answering the call of Leinster football as you do Ulster football.

Would any team in the country be able to cope with the loss of such players?

conjon

Some interesting arguments and tbh I can see both sides. Any team that wins two All Irelands in three years has to be considered a great team. Having said that, the niggly sly fouls that you see (example falling knees first on a player on the ground) is something that I can think is predominant in with the like of Armagh/Tyrone is something I despise.

As for the Dubs being considered the 4th/5th best team - I think there's a group of second tier teams, that on their day can beat each other. I'm sure each county would argue their own merits. I consider my own county Laois to be top 8.

Conor.

blackbelt

Lemlin,to say that I know absolutely nothing about football is the most stupid comment you have ever made.Your hypocrisy is amazing.I suppose you know everything about gaelic games mr Gaelic Guru.You ridicule me for my choices of Dublin players who stand out in the championship.In case you had forgotten,after the Meath match in which Sherlock was taken off,he came back in the Wexford match to turn everything around with a splendid goal.He played well in matches against Laois last year and certainly performed very well against Laois this year so who are you to doubt Sherlock.You were crowing about Reilly getting an all star for best goalkeeper when he failed to stop three goals against Armagh...hmmm.So if you want to ridicule me for the choice I made,take a look at your selection and realise that all you can do is p!ss your argument against the wall.

I don't dislike Cavan people but I dislike know it alls like you who claim to know everything about football.You come on boards ridiculing people and talking sh!te thinking that your word is the gospel.

A reading from the Gospel of the gaelic guru Lemlin to boards.ie...."Cavan are fifth best in Ulster".Thats bull****.I'd say Antrim would put it up to Cavan.In fact they did last year!

Canavan and Dooher are gone,so we can disregard them in the present setup of Tyrone.Mcguigan was out and Stephen O Neill was a sub the last day.Without those 2 key players Dooher and Canavan,Tyrone are now just above average.They in no way contended Sam this year and to be honest I can't see them seriously contending next year as the display of football they have shown was poor and the experience is gone.The great mix of youth and experience in the Tyrone team is gone.That was the winning formula last year.Tyrone,like Meath,are in transition.

With regards to those key Dublin players (Keaney,Cullen and Whelan) who would be a loss to Dublin,I think the likes of Mark Vaughan,Ray Cosgrove,Alan Brogan,Mossy Quinn,Coman Goggins,Jason Sherlock would make up for those losses.Lemlin,as far as Cork making the semi final and Dublin making the quarters,that is a different kettle of fish.The best team in the championship last year had to replay Dublin.The first match Dublin had Tyrone beat,no doubt.Tyrone did well to come back but I think it was more a case of Dublin throwing it away more than anything with the amount of kickable free kicks missed.Cork had an easier run to reach the semi final.Sligo are hardly likely favourites to beat Cork.It was the same situation with Kerry who had not played a real competitive match until the final and look where it got them.

Dublins chances of reaching a semi final or even the final will be fancied a lot more with teams like Kerry failing to kill matches off like they they usually would do without any any trouble.Kery aren't on form..at least yet but Dublin being 4th or 5th best in Ireland is a fair statement not like a counties fans who claim they are 5th best in Ulster when in reality they are 8th best.

P.S Lemlin,I am very passionate about gaelic football and watching a team who promote violence and dirty tactics get knocked out is a pleasure...I must say it was orgasmic watching Cavan get knocked out by Kildare

blackbelt

sorry for the type mistake in first paragraph..I meant to say Antrim not Armagh.

Lemlin

blackbelt wrote:

Lemlin,to say that I know absolutely nothing about football is the most stupid comment you have ever made.Your hypocrisy is amazing.I suppose you know everything about gaelic games mr Gaelic Guru.You ridicule me for my choices of Dublin players who stand out in the championship.In case you had forgotten,after the Meath match in which Sherlock was taken off,he came back in the Wexford match to turn everything around with a splendid goal.He played well in matches against Laois last year and certainly performed very well against Laois this year so who are you to doubt Sherlock.You were crowing about Reilly getting an all star for best goalkeeper when he failed to stop three goals against Armagh...hmmm.So if you want to ridicule me for the choice I made,take a look at your selection and realise that all you can do is p!ss your argument against the wall.

I don't dislike Cavan people but I dislike know it alls like you who claim to know everything about football.You come on boards ridiculing people and talking sh!te thinking that your word is the gospel.

A reading from the Gospel of the gaelic guru Lemlin to boards.ie...."Cavan are fifth best in Ulster".Thats bull****.I'd say Antrim would put it up to Cavan.In fact they did last year!

Canavan and Dooher are gone,so we can disregard them in the present setup of Tyrone.Mcguigan was out and Stephen O Neill was a sub the last day.Without those 2 key players Dooher and Canavan,Tyrone are now just above average.They in no way contended Sam this year and to be honest I can't see them seriously contending next year as the display of football they have shown was poor and the experience is gone.The great mix of youth and experience in the Tyrone team is gone.That was the winning formula last year.Tyrone,like Meath,are in transition.

With regards to those key Dublin players (Keaney,Cullen and Whelan) who would be a loss to Dublin,I think the likes of Mark Vaughan,Ray Cosgrove,Alan Brogan,Mossy Quinn,Coman Goggins,Jason Sherlock would make up for those losses.Lemlin,as far as Cork making the semi final and Dublin making the quarters,that is a different kettle of fish.The best team in the championship last year had to replay Dublin.The first match Dublin had Tyrone beat,no doubt.Tyrone did well to come back but I think it was more a case of Dublin throwing it away more than anything with the amount of kickable free kicks missed.Cork had an easier run to reach the semi final.Sligo are hardly likely favourites to beat Cork.It was the same situation with Kerry who had not played a real competitive match until the final and look where it got them.

Dublins chances of reaching a semi final or even the final will be fancied a lot more with teams like Kerry failing to kill matches off like they they usually would do without any any trouble.Kery aren't on form..at least yet but Dublin being 4th or 5th best in Ireland is a fair statement not like a counties fans who claim they are 5th best in Ulster when in reality they are 8th best.

P.S Lemlin,I am very passionate about gaelic football and watching a team who promote violence and dirty tactics get knocked out is a pleasure...I must say it was orgasmic watching Cavan get knocked out by Kildare

1. If I can piss my argument up against a wall, why was James Reilly one of the three goalkeepers nominated for an All-Star last year? Jason Sherlock was not nominated for an All-Star in any shape or form. I didn't even hear his name mentioned by anyone but you. And whoop-de-woo if he was good against Laois this year, we're talking about last year.

2. If you remember, Pornapster actually got angry with me for saying Cavan would not beat Monaghan. Get your facts straight. I said they were fifth best at best.

3. Cavan drew with Tyrone last year too. Does that make them the fifth best team because "The best team in the championship last year had to replay" them.

4. You say "The first match Dublin had Tyrone beat,no doubt". But they didn't beat them, did they?

5. "Sligo are hardly likely favourites to beat Cork". Are you forgetting Cork played Galway in arguably the game of the quarter finals, it could be argued they are a better team than even your mighty Dublin.

6. "Kery aren't on form..at least yet but Dublin being 4th or 5th best in Ireland is a fair statement not like a counties fans who claim they are 5th best in Ulster when in reality they are 8th best". And what are you basing this argument on other than that you want to get a reaction from me? Cavan beat Antrim and Donegal last year. They also beat Antrim and other Ulster teams in the League this year (although I admit that league form counts for fook all).

7. "I don't dislike Cavan people but I dislike know it alls like you who claim to know everything about football.You come on boards ridiculing people and talking sh!te thinking that your word is the gospel". I don't claim to know everything, I just don't agree to listenting to sh!te like what you are talking above.

Now I suggest you go back on topic rather than try to pursue some stupid vendetta against me. I have to admit though, I do like shooting holes in your piss poor arguments.

The fact you are still going on about me saying Reilly should of been up for an All Star, when the panel agreed with me, is beyond ludicrous. You're actually highlighting points where you were wrong for me.

Guisseppeth

As a Tyrone fan its great to see that us getting beaten in the Championship this year (for the second time) is causing such a fuss........

We have been absolutely rubbish all year and its no great surprise when we got beaten again. We were missing some high calibre players for a good part of the season and no team could cope with that loss. At the same time I didn't expect us to get beaten so early - I was still expecting a quarter final place as I think we still had that much in us. We were there for the taking this year and thankfully it was "only Laois" and not one of the bigger teams as we could have been on the end of a real hammering.

Yes Peter Canavan is gone but you won't hear too many Tyrone fans lamenting the fact that he wasn't playing. Peter knew it was time to call it a day as his influence was waning considerably last year and it took a superhuman effort from him in the semi final and final for him to play as well and be as influential as he was. However the biggest loss of the lot this year was undoubtedly Brian McGuigan who plays the role of ball fetcher and distributor like no one else in todays game. He also manages to chip in with a few points each game. His loss was crucial to Tyrones hopes this year - so much so that when I heard he was going to be out for the year I pretty much gave up hope that we could retain Sam.

One of the other contributors was correct in saying that there is a lot of football in those legs over the last few years including 7 games at Croke Park last year so yes maybe time has caught up with them a bit in that respect in that injuries are going ot be picked up a bit easier.

All in all I just hope that the lads can get a bit of a rest and recharge the batteries and come out all guns blazing next year and try and get number 3....

As for this years Championship I don't think anyone in particular has stood out as clear favourites. Mayo/Galway yesterday was very poor, Cork looked good against a poor Kerry team but a 6 point vistory will do their confidence no harm going into the quarters and they could spring a surprise against someone and you can never write Kerry off. Armagh look as dangerous and as fit as ever and would be my favourites (as much as it pains me to say it) and the Dubs haven't really been tested yet. Offaly played OK in the first half yesterday but their inexperience showed when they couldn't take any of the scores in the second half. So its wide open.......

Nalced_irl

Lemlin wrote:

Now I suggest you go back on topic rather than try to pursue some stupid vendetta against me.

Hmmm, the other thread in this forum seems to have quickly changed topic to a typo i made by saying last year instead of 2 years ago. I think your last 2 or 3 posts have been about it. Take your own advice.

The Rooster

You'll get used Lemlin shortly. Everyone on this forum and on the soccer forum knows he's a just a troll - apart from himself (and his "relatives")

Typically says something which is wrong. Is contradicted. Then twists everything around to show how right he is, not matter how obvious it is that he's wrong. The evidence is that there is rarely a cross word between posters on this forum - then Lemlin appears and POW! the arguments start.

I have to hand it to him - he is superb at getting people's backs up.

Nalced_irl

The Rooster wrote:

You'll get used Lemlin shortly. Everyone on this forum and on the soccer forum knows he's a just a troll - apart from himself (and his "relatives")

Typically says something which is wrong. Is contradicted. Then twists everything around to show how right he is, not matter how obvious it is that he's wrong. The evidence is that there is rarely a cross word between posters on this forum - then Lemlin appears and POW! the arguments start.

I have to hand it to him - he is superb at getting people's backs up.

LOL, i think it was my 2nd post on this forum where i figured that

Lemlin

So the two of you would agree with everything Blackbelt has said then?