HUGE UFC NEWS!! *spoiler*

dlofnep

Chuck V Wanderlei is on for November if Chuck beats Babalu next month. Wanderlei came to the octagon and confirmed it!

dlofnep

Update.

Phil Baroni will also be apart of this November card.

Dragan

Poor Chuck.

ShaneT

Ouch. This can only be:

a) great news for us
b) bad news for Pride
and
c) TERRIBLE news for Chuck... may he rest in peace.

FiannaGym.com

Is this Wand leaving pride or just part of the exchange?

I'll go out on a limb here and say that Wand is 10 times the fighter Chuck is but I think Chuck will win. People I support never win in the UFC, thats why Bablou will loose I'm affraid.

Peace

mark.leonard

I think Chuck has a very good chance against Wand. Wand is on a downswing of form of late and Chuck seems to be the opposite. I think it will be very tight but I am backing Chuck.

Duchman

Anyone care to bet on chuck vs wanderlei? iill take chuck

cmb.

Duchman wrote:

Anyone care to bet on chuck vs wanderlei? iill take chuck

i will take that bet

columok

mark.leonard wrote:

Wand is on a downswing of form of late

Don't agree. Look at the fujita fight for an utter mauling- and this is the guy with the iron head.

Also Wand has faced a lot of really tough competition in Arona Rampage & Co. I wouldn't say the same about Chuck. His fight experience since Couture is ridiculous.

ShaneT

mark.leonard wrote:

I think Chuck has a very good chance against Wand. Wand is on a downswing of form of late and Chuck seems to be the opposite. I think it will be very tight but I am backing Chuck.

I see where you're going with that. But, in truth, nobody has pushed Wand in a long, long time. I believe that Wand will alter his mentality and his training to accommodate the needs of a fight with Chuck.

Chuck's good. But, good enough to beat Wanderlei Silva?

Dragan

I would see it as a matter of whether Chuck can catch Wandy on the way in.

Chuck is excellent, even on the back foot but Wandy will come in swinging and can take his knocks.

If Wandy gets in close then it is knee city, population Chuck, I think.

FiannaGym.com

Seriously, i think the only way one can rate chuck in this match is through some superstitious nonsense like I said earlier.

Could Chuck hang with Fujita (who is also on this card apparently, which is so much bigger news than the NYBA), Rampage (obviously no), Arona?

Does Chuck hit as hard or as well as Hunt? Crocop?

Simply put, Wand will only loose because I'm supporting him. Sorry Wand.

Peace

Roper

I recall a thread about what would happen if Rampage and Chuck fought tomorrow, and some people came down on Chuck's side then. (pre Randy vs. Chuck III)

Yes Chuck hasn't fought much, but then he can only fight who they put in front of him. I think he'll beat Babalu (obviously so do Zuffa) but I don't think that will be easy.

Anyway, Wand might be in a dip but he's still head and shoulders above what the UFC have to offer in the Light Heavyweight division as it stands now. Wand by KO Rd.2

Dragan

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Simply put, Wand will only loose because I'm supporting him. Sorry Wand.

Peace

Maybe you should cheer for Chuck? Even if it is a betrayal of the heart maybe you can use the Demon Mojo that curses any fighter you cheer for to do some good?

vasch_ro

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Is this Wand leaving pride or just part of the exchange?

Peace

what i got from Dana whites comments when pressed at the post fight interviews/press conference he mentioned a 3 fight deal, he said "we'll have him for 3 fights"

damo

Dana said the ufc belt will be on the line, i wonder will the pride belt also? i.e a unification of the belts?

Really really cool fight reguardless...gotta take the hat off to Dana for this.

Mola.mola

More importantly, who do you wnat to win ?

dlofnep

Yes Fianna, Fujita is confirmedalso for the card.

I think Chuck has a very good shot in his fight. Wandy likes to use stomps and soccer kicks to take people out, or at least out of it mentally. he won't be able to do this to Chuck. Chuck also has reach on him.. It will be a good fight. Obviously Wanderlei is the favourite, but I think it will be a highly competitive fight.

I think November is heading to be a Pride versus UFC card. I for one can't wait for it.

Mola.mola

Wanderlei : I want to fook chook.

eh. only on ppv

crybaby

cant wait to see that fight and the interesting thing is that Silva is going to do another 2 fights in the UFC even if he gets beaten so Silva vs. Ortiz anyone?

Valmont

I can't believe this is even happening, it is just the best possible news any MMA fan could ever hope for, Roll on November!

Clive

I just peed my pants a little.

Either guy could take it, but I'm backing Wanderlei.

ShaneT

Valmont wrote:

I can't believe this is even happening, it is just the best possible news any MMA fan could ever hope for, Roll on November!

Yes and no. Is this another step toward the demise of PrideFC? I hope not. But, a three fight deal? Hmmm..... sounds like someone is about to defect to me.

Of course, it could be a cunning plan. Send in Wand (wearing his PrideFC T-Shirt), get him to beat up some UFC types, encourage UFC types to head off to Japan/Pride in an effort to "stick it to that Wand bloke". Prides ailing ratings go up and they all live happily ever after?

-ShaneT

dlofnep

ShaneT wrote:

Yes and no. Is this another step toward the demise of PrideFC? I hope not. But, a three fight deal? Hmmm..... sounds like someone is about to defect to me.

Of course, it could be a cunning plan. Send in Wand (wearing his PrideFC T-Shirt), get him to beat up some UFC types, encourage UFC types to head off to Japan/Pride in an effort to "stick it to that Wand bloke". Prides ailing ratings go up and they all live happily ever after?

-ShaneT

He is not defecting at all. Pride is allowing their fighters to fight in the UFC to gain face in the public.. Pride's expaning their shows to the US, so it makes sense to showcase them on the biggest MMA show in the US.

fatal

I think that some of you guys are understimating chuck alot......if it came down to it i would put my money on chuck to win

FiannaGym.com

fatal wrote:

I think that some of you guys are understimating chuck alot......if it came down to it i would put my money on chuck to win

Okay so aside from some mystical jinx from me supporting Wand, how can you justify thinking Chuck has any chance? Have you seen Wand versus Rampage? Have you seen Rampage versus Chuck?

Have you seen Wand fight Hunt or Crocop? If they cant knock Wand out, what is Chuck gonna do? Remeber Arona is a great wrestler and ended up on his back against Wand. What tools does chuck have that Wand hasnt already faced and demolished?

Peace

Mola.mola

Well not all fights end in KO. If chuck can play the game he can have his roll of the dice on the judges score card which may be weighted ufc friendly.

Roper

I'm not convinced of Chuck's ability to go 5 rounds and come out on top.

damo

Mma is a tough sport to predict, when 2 A calibre fighters like Chuck and Wanderlei go at it all you can really do is give the edge to one....im giving the edge to Wanderlei on this one if he can survive Crocop and Hunts standup he can surely survive Chucks...

Valmont

dlofnep wrote:

He is not defecting at all. Pride is allowing their fighters to fight in the UFC to gain face in the public.. Pride's expaning their shows to the US, so it makes sense to showcase them on the biggest MMA show in the US.

I think you have it on the button there dlofnep. If pride blindly jumped into the U.S market, their fighters wouldn't have a lot of public recognition so the UFC is the perfect place to advertise them.

fatal

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Have you seen Wand versus Rampage? Have you seen Rampage versus Chuck?

Have you seen Wand fight Hunt or Crocop? If they cant knock Wand out, what is Chuck gonna do? Remeber Arona is a great wrestler and ended up on his back against Wand. What tools does chuck have that Wand hasnt already faced and demolished?

its all good talking about ward having done this and that against fighters that chuck has not done as well as,but lets not forget that there is still months left for this fight and to think that someone like chuck will not train his ****ing ass for this fight and give it his ALL(which in my opinion is damn close to ward) is ludacris......he has more to gain than he has to lose against ward and so I would expect him to come out with EVERYTHING he has.
Im not saying that he is going to win but the way some of you guys are talking about it,it seems as though you would put your houses on this fight if you could and lets not forget that this is a sport in which there have been HUGE upsets.
O and lets not forget that this fight will take place in UFCs backyward aswell which can only favour chuck

damo

Go Ward!

?

goo

I wish they'd stop pretend there's animosity between the fighters...except Tito and Ken I guess. If this is a UFC v. Pride thing then I'm glad Phil Baroni's back, I hope someone destroys him.

I'm excited for this anyway, still dying for Babalu to win next time though.

H4eafy

I dont know why pride i rated so highly over the UFC.

Phil Baroni left the UFC after losing 6 fights out of 7 (about that) against not even the best the UFC has and went on to beat some of prides best.

Personally, i think they are both just as good in terms of standards. You need to be in the to 10-20 in the world for your weight class to even be looked at for either one.

Example - Phil Baroni:
Win Yuki Kondo KO (Punch) PRIDE-Bushido 10 4/2/2006

Win Ryo Chonan KO (Punch) PRIDE-Bushido 8 7/17/2005

Win Ikuhisa Minowa TKO (Stomps) PRIDE-Bushido 7 5/22/2005

Loss Pete Sell Submission (Guillotine Choke) UFC 51-Super Saturday 2/5/2005

Loss Evan Tanner Decision (Unanimous) UFC 48-Payback 6/19/2004

Loss Evan Tanner TKO (Strikes) UFC 45-Revolution 11/21/2003

Loss Matt Lindland Decision (Unanimous) UFC 41-Onslaught 2/28/2003

Loss Matt Lindland Decision (Majority) UFC 34-High Voltage 11/2/2001

Ikuhisa Minowa and Ryo Chonan in the words of Bas Rutten "Baroni has now knocked out two of prides aces!"

Fair enough, he lost the rematch against Ikuhisa Minowa but Minowa took him to the ground and held him there for a very boring fight.

Chuck Liddell Vs Waderlei Silva = Win for Chuck.

Chuck has beaten Tito Ortiz and Vitor Belfort (both have beaten Silva).

Silva has decisively ko'd Quenton Rampage Jackson twice (who KO'd Chuck).

This makes it very hard to say. I also think that silva would now have a way better chance of beating Belfort or Ortiz as well as Chuck being far more likely to beat Jackson if he got a rematch.

Dragan

Guys, the simple fact is that fighters get better or worse as the years go on and as situations allow.

Using the X beat Z, A never beat Z so Z will beat A is fruitless. When Vitor beat Wandy they were two different people.

Anyway....onto the main point i had

Chuck is now a lot better than he was when he first fought Rampage...not even so much physically as mentally. I just think he is better now at sticking to a game plan than he was when he fought QJ.

Coming off his win against Fujita , Wandy is gonna be extra dangerous.

As such, this is gonna be an excellent round. The only thing i would say is that Wandy is a far more brutal fighter than Chuck.

Chuck is normally more than happy to counter punch and go for the knockout, but as has been pointed out Wandy has faced some strikers with unreal knockout power and who are simply world class.

I would expect a good fight, but i would expect Wandy to take it. This is not a knock against Chuck....i just feel that Wandy will bring something Chuck will have trouble dealing with.

dlofnep

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Okay so aside from some mystical jinx from me supporting Wand, how can you justify thinking Chuck has any chance? Have you seen Wand versus Rampage? Have you seen Rampage versus Chuck?

Have you seen Wand fight Hunt or Crocop? If they cant knock Wand out, what is Chuck gonna do? Remeber Arona is a great wrestler and ended up on his back against Wand. What tools does chuck have that Wand hasnt already faced and demolished?

Peace

Wandy beat Rampage who beat Chuck

or another way to look at it

Chuck beat Tito who beat Wandy

Doesn't work out that well. The thing with Hunt/Crocop - Wanderlei didn't beat either of these two people. Chuck has reach on Wanderlei and Wanderlei doesn't have the ability to stomp or soccer kick. I'm not sure if Chuck will win, but I'm not going to rule him out. He's beaten very legit competition in his career. (Couture/Horn/Babalu/Belfort/Ortiz/Overeem/Randleman/Mezger/Monson)

Liddell is the real deal. Make no mistake about it. Wanderlei swings wide, if Chuck has the right gameplan he can capitalise on this. Who knows what will happen? MMA is way to unpredictable.

FiannaGym.com

Fatal, his name is Wanderlei Silva. Not "Ward". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderlei_Silva

Wand will beat Chuck, then clean up the Tito and Vitor fiasco. Thats his three fights. At least I hope.


Peace

Roper

A>B and B>C does not mean A>C

See what I did there? Math!

FiannaGym.com

I think Wand beat Hunt, he scored take downs, he was (I think 60lbs) lighter than Hunt. The judges took the fact that Hunt took the fight on 7 days notice and I dont think they should have. Again Wand delt with Crocop prety well, I just don't see how, if they couldnt knock Wand out, how Chuck could?

Mezger and Overeem both gave Chuck fits, and they are far more one dimentional that Wand (BB in BJJ, way better wrestling). If Chuck has any sense he will be looking to G'n'p this one, in the cage.


Peace

dlofnep

LOL @ Wand beating Hunt. Takedowns do NOT equal wins. Hunt posed much more danger standing to Wanderlei, rocked him on numerous occasions and did more than enough to get the win. Wanderlei is a BJj black belt and could not tap a guy of Hunt's calibre on the ground. He had his chance, he didn't put Hunt in any danger during that fight.

FiannaGym.com

dlofnep wrote:

LOL @ Wand beating Hunt. Takedowns do NOT equal wins. Hunt posed much more danger standing to Wanderlei, rocked him on numerous occasions and did more than enough to get the win. Wanderlei is a BJj black belt and could not tap a guy of Hunt's calibre on the ground. He had his chance, he didn't put Hunt in any danger during that fight.

LOL @ Hunt beating Wand. Posing danger does NOT equal a win.

Wand controlled where the fight took place, he chose to stand alot more than most with Hunt. Hunt "rocking" Silva brought him as close to a win as Wands armbar attempt. Simply put, it was an even fight, except Wand controlled the ranges and pushed the action more.

Anyway, who cares? I think if anyone can overcome the Jinx of my support in the UFC it's Wand.

Peace

H4eafy

Re: my last post where i used fight math. I know that fighter math dosent work. But it does give us a lot of info on what the fighters can do and what they can beat.

This will be a hell of a fight and nobody can call it for sure.

fatal

Dragan wrote:

Using the X beat Z, A never beat Z so Z will beat A is fruitless.

co-sign,that exactly what I tried to say in my previous post.Telling me about how wand(sorry about the typo earlier) did against rampage compared to how chuck did against rampage,and then comparing the two fighters-chuck vs wand,in terms of how they got on against rampage or any other opponent that they faced is nonsense.

H4eafy wrote:

This will be a hell of a fight and nobody can call it for sure.

It will be one HELL of a fight for sure and Im sure that both fighters will come out FULLY prepared for this one and the pendulum could swing either way.

dlofnep

FiannaGym.com wrote:

LOL @ Hunt beating Wand. Posing danger does NOT equal a win.

Wand controlled where the fight took place, he chose to stand alot more than most with Hunt. Hunt "rocking" Silva brought him as close to a win as Wands armbar attempt. Simply put, it was an even fight, except Wand controlled the ranges and pushed the action more.

Anyway, who cares? I think if anyone can overcome the Jinx of my support in the UFC it's Wand.

Peace

Taking someone down and keeping them at bay does not win the fight. I can see we judge fights completely differently. Pride's rules give it to the fighter who trys to finish the fight, Hunt went more to finish the fight and looked to finished the fight alot more than Wand.

Wand/Chuck will be a great fight. Let's wait and see what happens

goo

dlofnep wrote:

Wand/Chuck will be a great fight. Let's wait and see what happens

But it's not for aaages!

FiannaGym.com

dlofnep wrote:

Taking someone down and keeping them at bay does not win the fight. I can see we judge fights completely differently. Pride's rules give it to the fighter who trys to finish the fight, Hunt went more to finish the fight and looked to finished the fight alot more than Wand.

Yes, I judge like Bas and Randy, both of whom beleived Wand had won. As far as I'm concerned I'm in good company. Likewise, Eddie Bravo almost always judges the same way I do in the UFC. I am stunned as to what these athletes miss that the judges get, because only rarely do they concur on SDs.

I will pray to see Wand smash Liddel to bits. However,

My prediction: Chuck by eye-poke, fench hold, Round 3.

Peace

Dragan

FiannaGym.com wrote:

My prediction: Chuck by eye-poke, fench hold, Round 3.

Peace

LOL

" Kenpo? Yeah, i heard of that, they do eye gouges and ****, right?"

- Quinton "Rampage" Jackson