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good or bad fold?

  • 06-07-2006 10:12am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭


    3/6 cash 6max
    I’ve been very active on the table raising/reraising with a wide range from the button.
    Haven’t really shown any big bluffs at all but have shown 78/8T/64 and sh1t like that at show down that have been winners.
    Don’t have a good rea don villain yet as I haven’t really been paying attention much but I don’t think his that good seen as ive seen him limp from UTG a few times and then call a raise out of position.he tends to fold on the flop if he misses but I could not be certain on that.
    I have won one small pot from him and that about it.

    Stacks
    Villain 600
    Me: 800

    Villain limps from UTG.folded to me and I make it 26 to go from button with T5s.
    Villain calls.

    Flop(61)

    JT2 r.
    Villain checks and I bet 35.villain calls.

    Turn(131)

    8 completing rainbow.
    Villain checks and I check behind.

    River(131)
    T
    Villain leads for 48.i made the mistake of raising him here and I made it 150 more to him. villain shoves I fold like a pussy(cat).
    Comments?


Comments

  • Subscribers Posts: 32,859 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    The only thing you are really beating at this stage is a move from him with nothing to try and stop you bullying the table. I fold. I won't even mention that you didn't need to raise his lead (albeit very weak) on the river. Your hand is not good enough to make any better hands fold here with a far less than pot size raise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    Raising the river is perfectly fine. He can call with worse hands for sure.
    Folding his push is ok too.

    I might call the push tho.

    Tough one really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    his lead was weak thats why i acted on auto pilot mode and raised .
    if his raise was any bigger i would have just flat called or if it was even biger than that i may have folded but the 48 lead was weak.then the shove after wards was like:eek: so i folded but i wasnt so sure which was the best option.
    fuzz why do you think the raise on the river was good by me?
    i think the raise is what got me in to this trouble in the first place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    The raise is good because its a value raise. He can call you with lots of worse hands, and you probably have the best hand.
    thus raising is good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    Fuzz is totally right for once, there are many situations where a raise fold is the best line; this is one. Just calling obv makes your life easier but your missing value.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭AmarilloFats


    Love the way you played this hand...
    I call this river far too often..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    i think the raise is marginal as i think the only hand that might call you that you have beat is AJ,KJ,QJ, how ever i dont think he would lead with them hands on river as he has played it so passive all along.
    after my raise and him shoving i really dont see what i could be beating here to make it an ok call or am i missing something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    I wouldnt call his river re-raise. This is the kind of situation that its easy to make excuses for calling, ie "Well I have been very aggressive at the table and maybe he's just sticking it back at me", but of course it turns out that they...actually...have a hand. Aswell when you seem to make a hand with what started as a trash hand, it does seem harder to let it go. Of course there is the chance that he is bluffing but I dont think he's bluffing often enough to warrant a call


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭FastMachine


    I really hate it when guys weak lead very good hands and you reraise your marginal one for value and get reraised back. You beat nothing when he pushes.


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