4 of a kind on the flop

BrokenArrows · 03-07-2006 10:29am #1

Right i was playing in a 5/5 NL game today.

I get delt 1010 in BB 7 players limp for $5.
I raise to $25 and get 2 callers.

Flop comes 10 4 10 rainbow.

I check of course and the other 2 check much to my anger.

Turn comes K to complete rainbow. I check again hoping someone hit the K but again no takers.

River comes A and i have no choice but to bet and i make it 30. The 2 fold.

I was angry but hey it happens.

How would you play the hand if given 4 of a kind in BB and not getting any action on the flop or turn.

Should i have placed a bet on the turn after not getting anything on the flop?

jbravado · 03-07-2006 10:35am

Im not sure if checking the flop is the way to go.Personally I bet it and hope someone A)thinks Im at it or B)can move me off the hand.Very unlucky not to get some action when the a and k hit though.

ianmc38 · 03-07-2006 10:36am

Bet flop, bet turn, bet river.

QED.

fuzzbox · 03-07-2006 10:47am

You played it fine, its not your fault that nobody has anything.

.... btw ... 7 players limp, and you make it 25 ????

woooooaaahh

ianmc38 · 03-07-2006 10:54am

fuzzbox wrote:

You played it fine, its not your fault that nobody has anything.

.... btw ... 7 players limp, and you make it 25 ????

woooooaaahh

I hate checking flop/turn. This is a great flop for a continuation bet as he is highly unlikely to be put on tens.

Surely we want to play large pots with our monsters. Check-calling or check-raising here sucks and will probably get us paid the least in the long run.

Nalz · 03-07-2006 10:56am

gotta look like you wanna buy the pot from the flop, so a tester bet should be made...I'd check the the turn to again show weekness...and if called I'd pretend to buy the pot on the river with a sustantual bet

BrokenArrows · 03-07-2006 11:04am

fuzzbox wrote:

You played it fine, its not your fault that nobody has anything.

.... btw ... 7 players limp, and you make it 25 ????

woooooaaahh

what do you mean woooaaahh
What would you have bet

fuzzbox · 03-07-2006 11:06am

ianmc38 wrote:

I hate checking flop/turn. This is a great flop for a continuation bet as he is highly unlikely to be put on tens.

Surely we wnat to play large pots with our monsters. Check-calling or check-raising here sucks and will probably get us paid the least in the long run.

I dont mind checking the flop, we have the deck completely crippled and there aint much there for somebody to pay us off with.

Betting the turn is fine.

fuzzbox · 03-07-2006 11:09am

BrokenArrows wrote:

what do you mean woooaaahh
What would you have bet

When 7 players limp in a 5/5 game, there is 40 in the pot. You have TT, and you make a very small raise. You ask the first of your opponents to call a further 20, in order to win 60, giving him 3:1, the 2nd guy would then have to call 20 to win 80, getting 4:1 etc.

I'm rather surprised that you didnt get 7 callers.

Moreover, you have bloated the pot, out of position with a pretty marginal hand, and you have almost no chance to win the pot there.

I dont mind just checking and playing for set value with 7 callers, and I dont mind a big shutout raise, like make it 55 to play to try to take it down right now, but have a good hand if it gets heads up, and have a great chance to take it down on the flop if you get called, and maybe you hit a T and win a big pot.

Gholimoli · 03-07-2006 11:12am

fuzzbox wrote:

I dont mind checking the flop, we have the deck completely crippled and there aint much there for somebody to pay us off with.

Betting the turn is fine.

agree with this .
also agree with the Woooooah meaning the raise pre flop is bad.
you have 7 limpers making the pot 35.then you make it 25?
which means the first limper has to pay 20 to win 60 (3:1) and all the other limpers are getting huge huge odds .
your out of position with TT so your raise is bad.either limp or raise more.

BrokenArrows · 03-07-2006 12:24pm

fuzzbox wrote:

When 7 players limp in a 5/5 game, there is 40 in the pot. You have TT, and you make a very small raise. You ask the first of your opponents to call a further 20, in order to win 60, giving him 3:1, the 2nd guy would then have to call 20 to win 80, getting 4:1 etc.

I'm rather surprised that you didnt get 7 callers.

Moreover, you have bloated the pot, out of position with a pretty marginal hand, and you have almost no chance to win the pot there.

I dont mind just checking and playing for set value with 7 callers, and I dont mind a big shutout raise, like make it 55 to play to try to take it down right now, but have a good hand if it gets heads up, and have a great chance to take it down on the flop if you get called, and maybe you hit a T and win a big pot.

Ok point taken.

ChipLdr · 03-07-2006 1:03pm

I'd play it the same way. Nobody is calling you with nothing even if they think you are at it so no point betting flop.By checking twice at least they might think you've missed altogether and will fancy their hand. I can only imagine they had underpairs to the board or sooooooooooted connectors.

Make them try and win the pot so no need to force them out.

A few scenarios to consider which is most profitable.

You make what looks like a continuation bet on flop and you get raised.Now you can only flat call here as reraising will scare him off. Even if you flat call the betting shuts down as he knows you have to have an overpair or or a T.

You make what looks like a continuation bet and get called. Then you check the turn to scream of weakness and hope he bites on river.

Or you can simply check check and hope they hit something.

Hectorjelly · 03-07-2006 2:08pm

You should bet the flop, underpairs will probably call you and people may decide to expensively float. With that many players in you will probably get some action. Some hands you are just destined to win small pots.

Iceman78 · 03-07-2006 2:08pm

How you play the hand post flop depends a lot on your style of play and whether you usually make continuation bets post flop.

I would generally make a small bet on the flop to give the other players odds to call. Then if you get 2 callers, maybe check the turn hope someone bites. And if nobody bites, then bet as much as you think you will get called for opn river. You were unlucky in this hand that nobody hit the A or K on turn and river and they probably assumed you did.

I agree with all the earlier comments about your raise pre flop. It was way too small if you were going to raise as it gave everyone odds to call. Am shocked you only got 2 callers.

4 of a kind on the flop

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