2/4 AQ Oop

ianmc38

Just played this hand on tribeca and I'd like opinions please.

Stacks:
Me 520
Villain 300

Villain is just after arriving. No notes, no info. Hasn't showndown a hand yet. He's in the cutoff and opens for 16. I'm in the SB with AQo.

Flop (36)

Ac8s3h

I lead for 30, villain raises to 100.

What's the plan for the rest of the hand?

Flushdraw

Interesting one. You have a few dilemmas here. I make the same play u made sometimes when i'm bluffing. Purposely calling a raise but have already decided to make an almost pot sized bet no matter what cards come. Your bet could look weak to him and he could be testing u. Realistically though, he could have made this raise from late position with A8 and flopped 2 pair or AK in which he has u beat. If he had of just called your raise, i'd feel u are way ahead but the fact he raised preflop and raised ur bet on the flop, i'd give this one up.Wait til u see him play a few more hands and then the next time u are in this situation, u may have a read on his style of play. I'm guessin u made a good read an folded but because u posted this, i'm presuming he showed something like K8??

fuzzbox

Call and CRAI the turn?

sikes

think 88, 33 are smoth calling, aa very unlikely given size of raise so ak, a8, a3 are the only hands beating you.

the reraise could be a3, a8+ and some like jj+.

just calling will give you >2:1 if a push so i dont think u can fold if you call the flop raise. OOP i think push here but this is prob the tourney player coming out in me!

fuzzbox

sikes wrote:

think 88, 33 are smoth calling, aa very unlikely given size of raise so ak, a8, a3 are the only hands beating you.

the reraise could be a3, a8+ and some like jj+.

just calling will give you >2:1 so i dont think u can fold if you call the flop raise. OOP i think push here but this is prob the tourney player coming out in me!

push is bad.

sikes

fuzzbox wrote:

push is bad.

is that because we push off weaker aces who will push the turn?

ianmc38

sikes wrote:

is that because we push off weaker aces who will push the turn?

Sikes pushing is horrible and is one reason for posting this hand as an example of cash game theory.

Push results in Ax folding and sets, 2 pair and AK call(sometimes AK may fold).

3-betting here also has the same result and is a good example of why raising (for information) is fundamentally bad.

Fuzz, i'm not too keen on check-raising the turn all-in either.

sikes

thats what i was thinking alright, man im a fish.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

Sikes pushing is horrible and is one reason for posting this hand as an example of cash game theory.

Push results in Ax folding and sets, 2 pair and AK call(sometimes AK may fold).

3-betting here also has the same result and is a good example of why raising (for information) is fundamentally bad.

Fuzz, i'm not too keen on check-raising the turn all-in either.

Then you need to fold.

I spose you could call, and check/call the turn and check/fold the river (if he bets)

Hectorjelly

fold preflop, then fold to his raise. I wouldnt lead the flop either as you have now managed to create a unprofitable situation for yourself. He could well be bluffing, or even have a worse ace, but the rest of your money is only going to be going in bad. This is exactly why calling in the first spot is bad.

ecksor

Hectorjelly wrote:

fold preflop, then fold to his raise.

You're the only person I know (of) that would fold twice in the same hand.

RoundTower

I can't believe folding preflop is right, I would prefer 3 bet to fold. I would check the flop and as played probably fold, villain has done a good job here because you are committed to the pot if you call, but he is not committed with worse hands than AQ.

Gholimoli

RoundTower wrote:

I can't believe folding preflop is right, I would prefer 3 bet to fold. I would check the flop and as played probably fold, villain has done a good job here because you are committed to the pot if you call, but he is not committed with worse hands than AQ.

agree with this.
you need to reriase him here some times.
i would not lead this flop because you often get raised wtih air and with AK,set,two pair and you cant figure out what your up against.
i think after the flat pre flop check/calling is the best line.your keeping the pot small when yur out of posistion and his bets should tell you more on following streets.
i would prob call his bet here and check/call check/fold the turn depending on bet sizes.

FastMachine

I'd usually fold in this spot preflop, unless the villain has a high blind stealing %. As it is, I check call the flop, and lead the turn. Then if the villain reraises on the turn I'd let it go. It's much harder for the villain to bluff (or semi-bluff) you on the turn, you've said you've got the A by calling and leading. In this particular situation a reraise bluff would be rare so you can make a confident fold.
He'll call with all Aces, except AK with which he may reraise, and often high pocket pairs. If he's got nothing he'll let it go. If he's got two pair he'll definately reraise and most of the time he'll reraise with a set too as he thinks he has you tied to the Ace. This is my favourite oop line for minimizing loss and maximizing profit, as you can see from my sig.

Hectorjelly

RoundTower wrote:

I can't believe folding preflop is right,

Most of the time you are going to miss the flop, and unless you plan on doing a fair amount of bluffing this fact alone means calling is going to cost you money. Also AQo if it hits the flop is going to alert the villain to your biggest likely hand, ie an ace or a queen high flop. If you play a big pot you will tend to be behind. Three betting obv is a different matter altogether.

ianmc38

Well I thought about it and folded.

If i had AK, I still think that it's closer to a fold than a call....