Hosting365 BB

jwt

http://www.rte.ie/business/2006/0627/hosting365.html

Internet infrastructure company hosting365 and partners Azotel and Motorola today announced a new initiative for entrepreneurs to extend broadband reach in Ireland.

The solution, branded Azotel, enables wireless internet service providers to deliver broadband from as low as 30 users to several thousands of users.

John

damien

Lets hope his H365 broadband works better than the one they were going to offer years back.

Sponge Bob

The voice of Azotel on the radio today was none other than John O Hare from Amocom , one remembers him fondly around these parts justifying Amocoms sky high prices on occasions over the past few years

Hopefully his franchise scheme is better value for money Basically its a GBS in a box you can buy from Azotel/Amocom/Hosting365 ...whatever.

I can never follow what the hell O Hare is at. He has 4 Websites in 'different' bits of Cork with 'different ' names .

There is Azotel . Its customers are Amocom Airwave and AHC and with different bosses it seems . All begin with A and are in Cork but can anyone see any other glaring similarities ???

I'll sell him airminger.com and anyoulname.com and the estimable arrayerraGOwan.com if he send me a polite PM with an offer ....OK ?!?

jwt

azotel.com. A IN 21600 217.74.49.75
inetnum: 217.74.48.0 - 217.74.51.255
netname: CORKBIC-PUBLIC
descr: Cork BIC at the National Software Centre Ireland



amocom.com. A IN 86400 217.74.49.51
inetnum: 217.74.48.0 - 217.74.51.255
netname: CORKBIC-PUBLIC
descr: Cork BIC at the National Software Centre Ireland



airwaveinternet.net. A IN 298 81.17.248.4
inetnum: 81.17.248.0 - 81.17.249.255
netname: IE-BLACKNIGHT-SHARED-WINDOWS


ahcnetworks.com. A IN 3600 212.69.204.174
inetnum: 212.69.192.0 - 212.69.207.255
netname: DSVR-TELECITY1
descr: Hosting network at TeleCity Manchester

very curious.

damien.m wrote:

Lets hope his H365 broadband works better than the one they were going to offer years back.

Doesn't ring a bell, do tell???


John

Sponge Bob

Looks like the first 2 are the same operation and the other 2 are franchisees . The plan appears to be more of same. The 4 sites are almost identical.

H365 BB rings no bells in here either. I hope nobody is accusing them of peddling Vapourware

damien

http://www.register365.ie/services_broadband.php

There was big talk of it a few years back, they were reselling someone elses product. The great DeVore even talked about Boards.ie doing the same. Another failed master plan.

Blaster99

I'm fairly sure they did a bitstream reseller stint. I never heard anything bad about it or indeed much anything about it.

steve-hosting36

The solution is a combination of back-end management systems and software, backhaul links, IP transit, hardware (network and cpe), financing (from BOI) and additional services, that allow any small business / entrepreneur to establish a WISP without all the usual pains that come with it.

It is available in a franchise or ASP model for existing wisps, and anyone interested can drop in to us here for a chat about what it does and how it works. Equally, I'm happy to answer any questions here.

steve-hosting36

To add, there is some information here: http://www.hosting365.com/solutions-wisp.php

Sponge Bob

Not the worst idea ye ever came up with Steve. Ye should regional roadshow ASAP

jwt

Things that would be of concern to me off the top of my head (in no particular order of importance)

Backhaul or lack thereof...If I want to set up a wisp in balldenobackhaul am I snookered?

Franchise cost, rate of return, yearly/monthly percentage or static charges

Length of franchise contract

Setup costs

Buyout costs

Exclusivity / overlaps

RF licences

Masts

BoI (just on general principles)

I assume you have some models worked out for the franchise.

This probably isn’t the best venue for this so I’ll sit down and compose a more reasoned list of questions and PM you if that’s all right?


John

Robxxx7

I sent them a message earlier today along similar lines, be interested to know the costings of this etc ... and whether it is financially viable for rural areas or a bit pie in the sky ... but i'm not knocking it ...its another potential..so we will wait and see

steve-hosting36

Hi Sponge Bob - yes, we've a raft planned - Cork in 2 weeks, Limerick 2 after that, etc, etc. Just had the Dublin one last night. More will be on the website asap.

On the specifics, its a 5k 'buy in' which includes the Azotel WIB client device and all set-ups. Thereafter its a small percentage of gross revenue (single digits). Contract lengths are flexible, and the system can also be supplied in a simple ASP model.

The motorola canopy gear is specifically designed for unlicensed bands, so no licenses required for spectrum.

Masts, high sites, winning and installing customers are all down to the local wisp (with our help of course).

What we so is take the pain out of, and professionalise, the networks, provisioning, backhaul, crm system, cash collection, marketing, 24/7 support, monitoring, etc, etc.

Basically, a local wisp, with a national reach.

Blaster99

I wonder if the wireless broadband industry really needs more service providers with little or no experience. The established players with significant RF skills can often not get it right and they're usually operating in the licensed bands.

watty

Canopy gear is well made but has very poor spectrum efficency. It isn't specifically designed for "unlicensed" but for
low density rural deployment on licenced and unlicenced bands.

steve-hosting36

Just for anyone interested, we have on 11th July next, a roadshow in Cork, followed by Limerick two weeks later.

If anyone would like an invitation and/or information pack, pm or email me.

cgarvey

5K initial costs is just for software & software setup, right? There's no on-site visits, or physical equipment, or consultancy included in that, is there? If it's 5K for software, then thas seems expensive for your entry level of a 30-user community.

steve-hosting36

5k includes business manual, contracts, collateral, website, software, azotel WIB client (physical device) and all set-ups, including initital onsite meetings and survey. It's basically a figure set to show intent.

steve-hosting36

The only other thing you need to buy is the wireless access network hardware.

cgarvey

Perhaps I'll better appreciate it when ye get the 1st customer / case study.

steve-hosting36

There are already a few customers running on the system (3 in fact), and we're more than happy to give one on one demo's / meetings to discuss the full features.

Robxxx7

whereabouts are these customers located ? would be interested to find out more from them

steve-hosting36

Drop me a pm Robxxx7 and I can organise to send you out an info pack, with case studies.

mayhem#

steve-hosting36 wrote:

The solution is a combination of back-end management systems and software, backhaul links, IP transit, hardware (network and cpe), financing (from BOI) and additional services, that allow any small business / entrepreneur to establish a WISP without all the usual pains that come with it.

It is available in a franchise or ASP model for existing wisps, and anyone interested can drop in to us here for a chat about what it does and how it works. Equally, I'm happy to answer any questions here.

Good initiative and I can only applaude it.
However shame that you have decided to use Motorola Canopy hardware for it...

E.

steve-hosting36

Any particular reason mayhem# ?

mayhem#

Blaster99 wrote:

I wonder if the wireless broadband industry really needs more service providers with little or no experience. The established players with significant RF skills can often not get it right and they're usually operating in the licensed bands.

Who are you referring to?

E.

mayhem#

steve-hosting36 wrote:

Any particular reason mayhem# ?

Nothing other than what has already been mentioned above.
While Motorola's canopy hardware is easy to setup for companies with little or no experience as a WISP it also is prone to cause channel interference.
A proliferation of Canopy hardware will just clog up the spectrum and make life harder for any other companies using the same frequencies. In the end no-one benefits from that.

E.

Blaster99

mayhem# wrote:

Who are you referring to?

E.

All of them.

mayhem#

Blaster99 wrote:

All of them.

I think that the problem with most WISP's in this country is not the level of their RF skills but it seems to be more due to the business/sales planning.
Most POP's are hopelessly oversold on capacity as well as coverage. The concept of high capacity micro-cells seems to be something that is alien to these companies....

E.

bminish

Isn't it a tad naughty to use..
Ireland off line's DSL coverage map without source credit and in such a way as to imply that it represents MAN network coverage
http://www.hosting365.com/solutions-wisp-backhaul.php

Or perhaps this WISP in a box solution advocates using contended DSL as 'wholesale' backhaul?

.brendan

damien

Hmmm.

Blaster99

It's a very strange choice of map as when you click on it you get to e-net's MAN list with actual maps. H365's map could just be any ol' map of Ireland instead of taking IOFFL's map (without permission I guess).

damien

It's not IrelandOffline's map as such. It's mine which IrelandOffline is allowed to use and reproduce. I commissioned a web developer to create this and am delighted that Hosting365 will now licence it from me so I can recoup some of the costs of having this created.

Cryos

damien.m wrote:

It's not IrelandOffline's map as such. It's mine which IrelandOffline is allowed to use and reproduce. I commissioned a web developer to create this and am delighted that Hosting365 will now licence it from me so I can recoup some of the costs of having this created.

Excellent, you can get that Gold Plated name paque you always wanted

Sponge Bob

that DSL map is missing Spiddal aka Spiddle in Galway (12 miles west) , Corrundulla aka Corrandulla in Galway (12 miles north) and still has that mysterious bog exchange to the very west in Galway too .

also add Annacotty in Limerick, eircom have been really busy in the past 3 months since the map was created

otherwise its still the definitive eircom BB map

bminish

Sponge Bob wrote:

that DSL map is missing Spiddal aka Spiddle in Galway (12 miles west) , Corrundulla aka Corrandulla in Galway (12 miles north) and still has that mysterious bog exchange to the very west in Galway too .

It also shows Newport Co, Mayo as enabled. I am almost certain that it is not and that Newport, Tipperary is the the only enabled Newport

.brendan

Sponge Bob

and the dsl map is where the man map should be ...eh Steve?

edbyrne

Oops :eek:

Fixed now ... wasn't trying to steal your IP Damien, or purport that the Enet MAN is more than it is. The initial Enet map we gave our designer obviously didn't impress!

Next time I'm in Cork I'll have that gold plated name tag for you ;-)

bminish

edbyrne wrote:

Oops :eek:

Fixed now ... wasn't trying to steal your IP Damien, or purport that the Enet MAN is more than it is. The initial Enet map we gave our designer obviously didn't impress!

So what can you offer me off the Kiltimagh MAN then ?
the MAN locations do not equate to back haul availability since many of the smaller MAN's do not have service providers on them.
What is available from Hosting 365 and where ?

.brendan

damien

Sorry Ed, was that meant to be some kind of apology from Hosting365? Are you now saying it was your designer who stole my content and not Hosting365? Who signed off on uploading a copy of my property to your website?

steve-hosting36

Hi Brendan,

We can offer service off all 'live' MANs right now. Drop us a line for more details.

bminish

steve-hosting36 wrote:

Hi Brendan,

We can offer service off all 'live' MANs right now. Drop us a line for more details.

how about listing the 'Live' MANs ? Surely it's not top secret! information ?

Is Kiltimagh A Live MAN?
Is Ballina a Live MAN?

I know Ballina now has a couple of operators available on it but Neither man is connected the ESBT fibre network.
What is Hosting365's definition of a 'live' Man ?
What can Hosting365 and partners offer me in Mayo?

To clarify a little

We have a 34 Mb licenced link between a location near Klitimagh and ESBT mast in Galway to get access to the wholesale market via ESBT fibre in Galway, Can I now take a a feed closer to home and do BGP for real redundancy.
Or would Hosting365 be interested in negotiating transit rates with us :-)

.Brendan

steve-hosting36

Hi Brendan,

Drop me an email and I can get you full details, we're not just talking about ESBT popped MAN's.

bminish

steve-hosting36 wrote:

Hi Brendan,

Drop me an email and I can get you full details, we're not just talking about ESBT popped MAN's.

How about some details here ?

Can you provide service on for example the Kiltimagh MAN, which to my knowledge has no operator on it
What about Ballina (Smart and possibly BT-Ireland provide service on this MAN)

Which MANs can Hosting365 and partners offer services on or do I have to sign an NDA to find out in general terms where service is available, if so that still leaves your Website mapping potentially very misleading as to availability

.brendan

bminish

Despite moving to a PM with steve-hosting36 I am no nearer to ascertaining which MAN's this service is available off in my area.
Can one assume since there is no information about where this is actually available, that it may actually be available nowhere at all?

.brendan

steve-hosting36

For the sake of clarity - There are 5 MAN’s where we don’t have backhaul - Kiltimagh, Bunbeg, Carrickmacross, Monaghan and Kingscourt. All other enet MAN's we can deliver services from.

bminish

steve-hosting36 wrote:

For the sake of clarity - There are 5 MAN’s where we don’t have backhaul - Kiltimagh, Bunbeg, Carrickmacross, Monaghan and Kingscourt. All other enet MAN's we can deliver services from.

Can you deliver from the Ballina MAN?

steve-hosting36

All enet MAN's bar those 5, we can deliver service from.