Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

A marginal call or is it?

  • 25-06-2006 6:38pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭


    The situation is, it's $2.40 satelite into a $10,000 tournament. Only 12 entries and first gets it all. There is 7 people and I am 2nd on chips, very close to chip leader. I have been fairly tight since final table begun, not been raising much anyway. The following hand occurs

    >>>DEALING HOLE CARDS<<<
    cooker3 dealt down 5s 8h
    bcruar posts the ante 50
    TheGatherer posts the ante 50
    -7- posts the ante 50
    birdysplat posts the ante 50
    cooker3 posts the ante 50
    Yabby posts the ante 50
    KOGS4X posts the ante 50
    birdysplat posts the small blind 200
    cooker3 posts the big blind 400
    Yabby folds
    KOGS4X folds
    bcruar folds
    TheGatherer calls 400
    -7- calls 400
    birdysplat calls 200
    cooker3 raises 1,600 to 2,000
    TheGatherer folds
    -7- raises 4,125 to 6,125 and is all-in
    birdysplat folds
    cooker3 calls 4,125
    -7- cards were Jc Kh
    cooker3 cards were 5s 8h
    >>>DEALING FLOP<<< [ Ks 6s 3d ]
    >>>DEALING TURN<<< [ 4c ]
    >>>DEALING RIVER<<< [ 2s ]
    cooker3 wins 13,400 with a six high straight
    -7- has left the table
    -7- finishes in 7th place
    birdysplat: un real
    KOGS4X: omg
    KOGS4X: omg
    cooker3: ty

    So, the people who called had been calling a lot and I see cards such as K2 etc so knew they were weak so thought it was a good oppotunity to steal the blinds, the last thing I expected was to be re-raised by 1 of the callers, I was going to fold but when I thought about it, I figured he didn't have a pair and very likely he had AK, AQ as I have seen plays like that at this level, so once I figured him for overcards then I seen I was getting 70-30 and felt I was getting odds to call and seeing as it was winner takes all, I thought it was worse the risk to go for extra chips, also if I lose, still have 6000 chips left so not completely out of it. Would you agree or am I just trying to justify what was clearly a terrible call?
    Incidentally I went on to win it for what that is worth.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭The Snapper


    Stack sizes would be good. Major consideration for this move. Also, at this level there is limited Fold equity unless you have a read on the limpers ( can they fold after putting chips in the pot ) which is unlikely for all 3.

    the pre flop steal was awful your raise is too small.

    raise 1600 pot 3550 laying 2.2/1 to call.

    Also how can you rule out pocket pair with 3 limpers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    Well yeah, as I said, I had seen them call with crap but they tended to get out when it got raised, if I got called then I would have been worried by a pair, but the re-raise all-in it was caught me off. Whenever I see someone call then re-raise all-in pf at this level it tends to mean AK, now in thinking about it I have seen people do it with AA or KK but much less often but it's something I probably should have considered more at the time.

    I take your point about giving them odds, should have made bigger raise afterall, I usually try to keep all my raises the same price as so I don't give up obvious tells such as raising higher with Aces etc but in this situation a bigger raise was in order as there was so many limpers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    It's close but I think you should fold to the reraise. In my experience this move (overlimp and then reraise) is a premium hand KK/AA very often, maybe slightly less often than if he open limped. I would be surprised to see KJ here.

    Normally 2000 is a good amount to make the raise here, it is a little bit less than the pot. But it depends on how many chips you have, if you feel you will be forced to call an all in then you might as well go all in yourself to encourage them to fold. I think bluff raising here is a good move to have occasionally, particularly against weak players who are dying to see a flop for cheap with any 2 but then realise they don't want to commit a load of chips and risk being knocked out of the tournament. If they are just calling stations in all circumstances just take a flop instead.


Advertisement