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Hectorjelly

Dont know villain, in fact have no idea how he got his stack since my attention was diverted. He went from 450 to 1200 in about 4 mins. Since then we have clashed heads preflop a few times, but they have all ended preflop. This is the only time he has flat called. I have about 1700, he has 1400.

I get JJ on the bb and make it 30, he calls.

Flop is QQ7 2 spades, chk chk

Turn 7, chk chk

River 2, chk I bet 50 , he makes it 150 more. Whats the best action?

ocallagh

Unless you have been getting really aggro on a lot of rivers lately I don't see him checking a queen the whole way.. he just doesn't have the implied odds to do this.

I think you're ahead here.. and I reckon he has an ace and is looking to take the split pot away from you.

He might just have a seven.. and by raising you might take him off it... but so many players will make a desperate call with the seven.

prob call him hoping to see an ace.

am i way off here?


edit: what do you think he puts you on?

fuzzbox

I fold

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

I fold

i dont like the bet on the river.
what is it suppose to achive?
it cant be a value bet as he would almost always drop everything that you can beat and call/raise with everything that beats you.
it cant be bluff either as your hand has some show down value .
am i wrong here?
as it stand i honestly dont see what his rasing with that you can beat.
some very aggro players may try to take this here with an A with reraise but with out a read i would rule it out as most would just call here if they thought the A would give them a split pot.
as it stands i think fold.

fuzzbox

I dont mind betting the river, he might call with Ax, or 88/99/TT. Although he should prolly take some positive action before now with those hands.

Ste05

HJ, what is the Pre-Flop action here BTW, did limp call, and if so, what position was he in?? Also is this 5/10??

I have to say it'd be a brave man (as in not getting much value) to check down a Q or an overpair the whole way, and then check raise the river here ... as far as I can see the only hand that is beating you is a 7...

jhegarty

i'd say he put you on the steal with the 50 bet , and was seeing if you had anything to back it up with....

Hectorjelly

Gholi - your kidding right? Of course its not a bluff, a seven or a queen is never folding. But my hand looks exactly like Ace high, so I can get called by any pair (88 - 10, 10) or ace high expecting to chop it. Betting an ace here would be different.

I just thought it was so unlikely that anyone is checking a queen three times, and it would be a very odd raise with a lone seven so I called. He had Ax.

RoundTower

I call, I think he is bluffing and may not even have Ax.

AmarilloFats

I call quickly. You checked flop and turn and 88-TT, maybe A hi are all in his range..Sorry all this has been said..
Anyway somewhat similar hand below, did not think It warranted a thread of it's own..
Did not know villain ..but thankfully he played this "delightfully"...
DO YOU CALL RIVER?

***** Hand History for Game 4558662405 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Tue Jun 20 18:21:23 EDT 2006
Table Table 107467 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: AKDavid85 ( $172.95)
Seat 2: sctrTrash ( $200)
Seat 3: oldhippy954 ( $27.70)
Seat 4: HERO ( $237.60)
Seat 5: IUbullets ( $140.75)
AKDavid85 posts small blind (1)
sctrTrash posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Kd, Kc ]
oldhippy954 folds.
HERO raises (8) to 8
IUbullets calls (8)
AKDavid85 folds.
sctrTrash folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, 6s, 4d ]
HERO bets (16)
IUbullets calls (16)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qh ]
HERO checks.
IUbullets checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 6h ]
HERO checks.
IUbullets bets (45)

HERO???

El Stuntman

AmarilloFats wrote:

I call quickly. You checked flop and turn and 88-TT, maybe A hi are all in his range..Sorry all this has been said..
Anyway somewhat similar hand below, did not think It warranted a thread of it's own..
Did not know villain ..but thankfully he played this "delightfully"...
DO YOU CALL RIVER?

***** Hand History for Game 4558662405 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Tue Jun 20 18:21:23 EDT 2006
Table Table 107467 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: AKDavid85 ( $172.95)
Seat 2: sctrTrash ( $200)
Seat 3: oldhippy954 ( $27.70)
Seat 4: HERO ( $237.60)
Seat 5: IUbullets ( $140.75)
AKDavid85 posts small blind (1)
sctrTrash posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Kd, Kc ]
oldhippy954 folds.
HERO raises (8) to 8
IUbullets calls (8)
AKDavid85 folds.
sctrTrash folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, 6s, 4d ]
HERO bets (16)
IUbullets calls (16)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qh ]
HERO checks.
IUbullets checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 6h ]
HERO checks.
IUbullets bets (45)

HERO???

raise to 150 or so, he has nada hate your check on the turn

Hectorjelly

El Stuntman wrote:

raise to 150 or so, he has nada hate your check on the turn

if he has nothing what is the point in raising?

Ste05

This is slightly different to HJ's due to the Flop action, but I'd call here too, just not as easily as the HJ hand. But I think that there's enough chance that he's bluffing/ expecting to chop/ has 77 - JJ to make this a profitable call IMO....

Hectorjelly

It really depends on the villain

AmarilloFats

Do you think a better line would be Check turn lead $45 river??
El Stuntman, why would I raise here!?
If I check two streets, as I did in this hand I tend to call a river bet.Right?

Anyway, I called he hand a horribly played 44.

Ste05

AmarilloFats wrote:

Anyway, I called he hand a horribly played 44.

LOL, I love his turn check...