Hand from Fitz €100 freezeout last night

Youngza

Could/should I have got away from this?
Level 2 (50/100), table is a bit crazy as 2 players were knocked out in the first level.
Villain doubled up on the first hand when kamikaze guy donated all his chips on a crazy bluff (with A10, there was a sign!)
Villain @ 8,000
Hero @ 4,200
Yellow @ 3,700
I'm dealt A10s under the gun + 1 and limp, 3 more limp after me and button/villain raises it to 400 (seemed like a standard button raise), 3 callers.
Flop comes Ks9h4s, checked round.
Turn is the 9s, decided to check as no-one seemed to like the flop, next guy checked and then Yellow tried taking pot with a 1500 bet, villain smooth calls (??).
I put Yellow on 2 pair, maybe a set and villain on 2 pair (he made a similiar raise previously with AQ), I come over the top and go all in, both call.
Villain shows pocket Kings for the house, see ya later.
Should I have seen that, did I play this wrong?

careca

I wouldnt have gotten away from it anyway. Unlucky I think, surprised he didn't bet the flop with the flush draw out there but suppose he played it well.

peeko

Never a good idea to open limp. Had you raised from your position (or folded as I would of done) the KK guy would hopefully of re-raised giving you more information on where you stood.

fuzzbox

open limping ATs utg, sux.

Postflop is fine, tough break.

califano

If a player bets 1500 and gets one caller you dont go over the top. No point trying to play applied poker in a 100 game because your just as likely to get called by someone with 2 pair anyway.

edit: only seen now you had the flush draw. I thought you had nothing and was just representing the 9. I still dont like it.

mewso

If it is as you say a crazy table then A10 should be in the muck in UTG+1 I think. Once you hit the flush it's a bad beat and there is a thread for that.

careca

rounders123 wrote:

If a player bets 1500 and gets one caller you dont go over the top. No point trying to play applied poker in a 100 game because your just as likely to get called by someone with 2 pair anyway.

edit: only seen now you had the flush draw. I thought you had nothing and was just representing the 9. I still dont like it.

He had the nut flush on the turn !!

Youngza

I might add that the craziness usually kicked in post flop, there was quite a few limped pots going on.
Am I mistaken in that I like to play A10s much like a small PP as in I try to see a flop cheaply and if I hit happy days and if I don't I get out with minimum loss especially when out of position.
I accept open limping is a bad habit I have to get out of though!
I planned a check raise on my flush draw but no-one had a go.

peeko

You want to nail the flush, or nail 2 pair really, not that good a hand A10s, especially UTG/UTG+1.

califano

careca wrote:

He had the nut flush on the turn !!

Oh right i missed that. Im turning into a bit of a LennyLennard here:D

fuzzbox

Suited Aces are best played in position. AT does not stack up well to a raise, and it does not play well oop.

Consider the most frequently raised hands ...
AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT/AK/AQ/AJ/KQ

And see how well AT does against those hands.
Also, you are out of position, thus you are further at a disadvantage.

btw - ATs is a perfectly excellent hand in MP/LP, and I might even raise, but up front its a muck for me.

Marq

careca wrote:

He had the nut flush on the turn !!

Yeah but he didn't have the nuts at any point. fold pre-flop from that position with that horrible hand. Bet the turn.
2c.

Hectorjelly

I think limping utg in that situation with AT or AQ and so on is fine. Calling the raise is a bit dodgy though

Youngza

Dodgy how?
In retrospect the raise wasn't what I should have been worried about, it was the smooth call.
No strength had been shown bar a seemingly innocuous button raise and I had what I thought was the nut flush.
Slow playing a set of kings against 2 opponents on a flush draw board was a risky but profitable play.

Hitman Actual

rounders123 wrote:

Oh right i missed that. Im turning into a bit of a LennyLennard here:D

Hey I resent that!!

Nah, dont care really, you have a point. Skim-reading posts is not good.

Limping with ATs UTG (+1)??? I'm definately not a fan of that. Calling the raise is surely a mistake. Someone raising after three/four limpers nearly always has a hand, and not a hand that AT will do well against.

Youngza

Fair enough, original call to raise was dodgy, lesson learnt.

fuzzbox

Hectorjelly wrote:

I think limping utg in that situation with AT or AQ and so on is fine. Calling the raise is a bit dodgy though

It goes limp (100) then 3 calls (300), then button makes it 400, and blinds are 150 total.

950 in the pot, and you have to call 300 more .... and you pass?

Its the open limp that I dont like, as this invites you to play a pot out of position with a marginal hand, and you dont know what the action will be like behind you.

Hectorjelly

fuzzbox wrote:

It goes limp (100) then 3 calls (300), then button makes it 400, and blinds are 150 total.

950 in the pot, and you have to call 300 more .... and you pass?

Its the open limp that I dont like, as this invites you to play a pot out of position with a marginal hand, and you dont know what the action will be like behind you.

I would call but I would advise others to fold, reverse implied odds etc etc

fuzzbox

Hectorjelly wrote:

I would call but I would advise others to fold, reverse implied odds etc etc

Thus the major mistake is entering the pot oop with a marginal hand.

Q.E.D.

I rock.

Hectorjelly

fuzzbox wrote:

Thus the major mistake is entering the pot oop with a marginal hand.

Q.E.D.

I rock.

You dont have to call the raise if you dont want to!

I dont really consider ATs marginal, until its been raised.

fuzzbox

I said Q.E.D.

Hectorjelly

fuzzbox wrote:

I said Q.E.D.

oh sorry