Question

Plug

This has been pissing me off for a while now:mad: What could go around a track quicker an F1 car or a moto gp bike? Would love to know.

SouperComputer

On 95% of circuits, F1 by far. Bike would possibly accellerate quicker to 60/100MPH but after that the F1 car would be quicker. The cornering ability is much better and the breaking is vastly better in the car too.

Without too much searching, looks like in Barcelona, F1 is about 25secs faster per lap if not more :eek:

1.41 is the fastest for motoGP
1.15 or therabouts for F1

Funny though its easier to fall asleep watching F1!

Plug

Jesz...didn't know they'd be that quick:eek: Thanks;)

Edwardius

That'll be the extra two wheels then! I'm not sure about acceleration above 100mph but I think the bike would have the car in this region as drag-inducing downforce aids are absent on the bikes. I think the overall power to weight ratio is similar with a 270-odd bhp 990cc with ~210kg (bike=145 rider~65) versus 650-odd for the car and driver and I'm guessing about 800 horsies from the 2400cc f1 lump. A bike takes longer to get into a turn also and requires significant weight transfer and counter-steering to get it on its side. Add to that the compromises required in chassis geometry (high centre of gravity, chassis flex...) and a more forgiving power delivery and you're just piling on the seconds. Then you can't forget the fact that the tyre contact patch area of an f1 tyre is several times that of the bike (and remains constant through a turn, unlike that of a bike. Christ, even the radius of the tyre changes through leaning) and it's easy to see where the time comes from. I know which I'd rather watch though...

thegoth

Saw a Honda MotoGP Bike vs the Honda F1 car from last year doing a best of three drag over 1/4 mile. Jensen was driving the f1 car. This was on top gear or one of those shows last year.

The bike won the first one as the F1 car had a problem with its anti stall of the line. Next two times threy were neck and neck for firt 100 metres, then once they hit 100mph, the F1 car blew it away, as this is the range where the F1 engine develeops most of its power as the downforce at this speed greatly reduces wheel spin

Plug

I,d love to see a video of them racing around a track:cool: Anyone see the topgear eposode where they set a laptime in an F1 car, it bet the fastest car there by 20 seconds:eek:

thegoth

Yeah, I have the DVD. I bought it just to see that lap. The F1 could have gone faster as firstly the stig, who is not a regular F1 driver was driving, and second the track was damp.

Plug

Do you know that wasen't the stig who drove that F1 car. I read that somewhere on the web. Just search the stig and you should find it, some intreasting stuff about him:)

chern0byl

thegoth wrote:

Saw a Honda MotoGP Bike vs the Honda F1 car from last year doing a best of three drag over 1/4 mile. Jensen was driving the f1 car. This was on top gear or one of those shows last year.

http://rapidshare.de/files/23551985/763_1150764608_5thcarvsboatvsbike.zip.html


Nothing can touch a F1 car...maybe the Eurofighter

SouperComputer

as this is the range where the F1 engine develops most of its power as the downforce at this speed greatly reduces wheel spin

You also have to remember that the F1 car has 800BHP to push it through the air resistance. I would say the bike has exponentially less as it’s not much more efficient aerodynamically and of course naturally has lees power. It’s for this reason that even on road going vehicles, bikes tend to accelerate much quicker than cars, but cars have a higher top speed. Of course this is not true in all cases, just a generalisation.

chern0byl wrote:

http://rapidshare.de/files/23551985/763_1150764608_5thcarvsboatvsbike.zip.html


Nothing can touch a F1 car...maybe the Eurofighter

hmm, or a 250 superkart. Ask David Coulthard, he ran 4secs quicker in one than his F1 time in Monaco in 1994 IIRC.9

chern0byl

SouperComputer wrote:

hmm, or a 250 superkart.

Horses for courses. I know that those carts were almost 11 seconds faster around mondello the day i saw them and the EuroBoss series. Give a F1 a track designed for big machine racing and nothing can touch it.

BrianD3

In the mid nineties one of the car mags did a comparsion between a British touring car and a bike. I'm not sure what type of bike it was but it was a quick one ( a 500 cc grand prix machine?). The touring car was a 2 litre Peugoet 406 driven by Tim Harvey and the circuit was Donnington.

Anyhow IIRC the touring car was quicker around the track. And a modern F1 car would be a lot quicker than a touring car.

Kali

chern0byl wrote:

Horses for courses. I know that those carts were almost 11 seconds faster around mondello the day i saw them and the EuroBoss series. Give a F1 a track designed for big machine racing and nothing can touch it.

Yeah I've seen similar.. at 250 actually held the lap record at mondello for a long time afaik... thing is the straights just aren't long enough for an F1 car (or any fast bike) to get upto speed, you're practicaly upto third and then braking again.
Nobodies mentioned sidecars yet btw, which again depending on the track can be pretty damn quick.

SouperComputer

Kali wrote:

Yeah I've seen similar.. at 250 actually held the lap record at mondello for a long time afaik... thing is the straights just aren't long enough for an F1 car (or any fast bike) to get upto speed, you're practicaly upto third and then braking again.
Nobodies mentioned sidecars yet btw, which again depending on the track can be pretty damn quick.

AFAIK, the record set in 1998 for the national circuit: 53.39 (Peter Deery) still stands, with the exception of BOSS F1 of course which is either 50.x or 51.x im not too sure. Im going from memory here so I could be wrong.

Id forgotten about sidecars, must go find some compareable times.