Fitz €50 PLO cash game

5starpool

Hand from the €50 PLO cash game in the Fitz last night. Table is fairly loose with every pot raised preflop always to at least a fiver, and to a pony every 3rd hand or so, so plenty of decent sized pots. This hand occurs:

Stacks:
You - 220
SB - 230
MP - 500

You: Js9h7h5c

You call for a tenner preflop from MP and see a flop of:

KcTh8h (€70)

SB immediately pots it (70). He is a tight regular Omaha player in the Fitz. Folded to MP a loose aggressive normal 100 game player who repots it (280).

What do you do here? You think it is fairly likely that SB will call. You know that SB would not have done this without a good hand. MP likely is looking to isolate here and could have a variety of hands from a set to a variety of draws.

fuzzbox

You *should* fold ... but you wont .

Actually - you might have enough equity to play given the stack/pot sizes.

Hmmm

5starpool

Sorry Fuzz, I misremembered the hand. It was only a low straight (flush)wrap, no high straight draw. Edited original post to reflect.

fuzzbox

5starpool wrote:

Sorry Fuzz, I misremembered the hand. It was only a low straight (flush)wrap, no high straight draw. Edited original post to reflect.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1793124
pokenum -o ac js 9h 7h - ks kh qd tc - ah jh jc 5d -- kc th 8h
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing Kc Th 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Js Ac 9h 7h 197 29.58 423 63.51 46 6.91 0.330
Ks Tc Qd Kh 301 45.20 365 54.80 0 0.00 0.452
Jc 5d Ah Jh 122 18.32 498 74.77 46 6.91 0.218


http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1793126
pokenum -o ac js 9h 7h - ks kh qd tc - ah kd td 5h -- kc th 8h
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing Kc Th 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Js Ac 9h 7h 306 45.95 356 53.45 4 0.60 0.462
Ks Tc Qd Kh 252 37.84 414 62.16 0 0.00 0.378
Kd Td Ah 5h 104 15.62 558 83.78 4 0.60 0.159


http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1793127
pokenum -o ac js 9h 7h - ks kh qs tc - ah qd jd 5h -- kc th 8h
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing Kc Th 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Js Ac 9h 7h 152 22.82 490 73.57 24 3.60 0.246
Ks Qs Tc Kh 275 41.29 389 58.41 2 0.30 0.414
Qd Jd Ah 5h 213 31.98 427 64.11 26 3.90 0.339


Without the Q, ur hand is much worse actually, and ur flush draw is prolly useless (altough u do have 2 killer outs).

Gamble if you like, but you prolly dont make much in the long run by gambling.

Marq

Definite fold pre-flop in my opinion.
Given the stacks and the venue I probably call on the flop.

fuzzbox

Stop changing ur hand !!!

It now sucks btw - J975 with one crappy suit = fold. You hardly ever hit anything good.

RoundTower

Pot is too big for me to fold here. Fold preflop instead.

henbane

Fold preflop, you've hit a great flop for your hand and you still have an ugly decision. Most good flops for this hand leave you with tough decisions if you get any action.

Given the combination of villain 1 & 2, fold now. If you make your hand on the turn, there's still plenty of cards to dodge on the river in this situation. Various combinations of sets, nut flush and better str8 draws/wraps are all likely; you have some blockers but you still need to make a hand and they will often have blockers to your outs.

ollyk1

On a more general question are we not playing very shortstacked in this game? Fair enough its nominally 1/2 and we have 100+ BB but in reality we are playing quite shallow with blind raises etc. and thats what makes this hand a definite fold preflop imho. Is the PLO in the Fitz purely a preflop/flop game?

I think you have to fold on the flop because of assumed interference with your outs and you aren't being layed much of a price to call.

careca

Marq wrote:

Given the stacks and the venue I probably call on the flop.

Same as that.

5starpool

Ok, time to fess up. I pulled one of the 'This was someone elses hand' tricks.

I was actually on the BB here with KdKhQc6h for top set, second nut flush draw and a couple of straight blockers so I of course went all in. The other player in the hand had TTxx to be drawing dead (someone else folded a T).

The Turn came 6d and river 5d to give the pot to the player (remain nameless) with the hand above who hit the straight. I knew I had a no brainer in this pot and was fairly sure that the above shouldn't have played post (never mind pre) flop against all the action, and I just wanted some opinions from here so cheers.

Olly - it is €1-€1 in the Omaha, and the average at the table was probably about 300 or so.

smurph

5starpool wrote:

Ok, time to fess up. I pulled one of the 'This was someone elses hand' tricks.

I was actually on the BB here with KdKhQc6h for top set, second nut flush draw and a couple of straight blockers so I of course went all in. The other player in the hand had TTxx to be drawing dead (someone else folded a T).

The Turn came 6d and river 5d to give the pot to the player (remain nameless) with the hand above who hit the straight. I knew I had a no brainer in this pot and was fairly sure that the above shouldn't have played post (never mind pre) flop against all the action, and I just wanted some opinions from here so cheers.

Olly - it is €1-€1 in the Omaha, and the average at the table was probably about 300 or so.

I reckoned that was a very strange call by you Dom, even tiredness taken into account. bummer hard luck. Had a bit of that going on on Saturday night, in the round of each tournament. KK in texas Holdem, raised 3 callers, including the winner with Q5 mmmm buy-in, AA double suited twice in the Omaha round and busted twice2 buy-ins, and the last buy-in I p*ssed away. It was indeed a very strange call by the guy, and you did nothing wrong.

Hope the cards are going well for you now.