What do we do here?

Wombatman · 19-06-2006 12:52pm #1

Home game. Three remain.
Winner gets 100. Second gets 25. Third gets zip.

Button over 800
SB 280
BB 125

Blinds 20/10

Button folds.
SB min raises into tight bb (now 40 to play) with qd3d
BB pushes.

Consider Chart Attached

He is tight but likes suited connectors in this situation.

What does SB do?

DeadParrot · 19-06-2006 12:57pm

a teeny tiny bit more info wouldnt go astray

fairly standard play by the BB

Ste05 · 19-06-2006 1:00pm

What do we have here??

Wombatman · 19-06-2006 1:11pm

Vital piece of info added. Sorry guys.

DeadParrot · 19-06-2006 1:17pm

fold...he'll be left with 135 you'll have 240 his sb next hand and he'll push again
into the big stacks BB (probably

) Q3d is not a hand I'd blow half me stack over

jacQues · 19-06-2006 1:52pm

DeadParrot wrote:

fold...he'll be left with 135 you'll have 240 his sb next hand and he'll push again
into the big stacks BB (probably ) Q3d is not a hand I'd blow half me stack over

I agree...uhm...too late?

BTW, how to read that image? Take one hole card for X and the other for Y? Because then how come AK has 67% and KA has 65%

jacQues

ollyk1 · 19-06-2006 1:56pm

Wombatman wrote:

Home game. Three remain.
Winner gets 100. Second gets 25. Third gets zip.

Button over 800
SB 280
BB 125

Blinds 20/10

Button folds.
SB min raises into tight bb (now 40 to play) with qd3d
BB pushes.

Consider Chart Attached

He is tight but likes suited connectors in this situation.

What do we do?

If you are prepared to call an all-in with a hand in this situation then push. If you are not prepared then smooth call or fold. Min raising sucks.

Wombatman · 19-06-2006 1:57pm

Read chart suited across. Non-suited down.

Ste05 · 19-06-2006 2:07pm

If min-raises has been stealing this guys blinds in the past then it's fine, and you can now fold easily...

If you've never seen him folding his BB to a min-raise then don't do it. Either flat call or push. Although I'd like to see a flop here to be honset and I actually like to have reverse position at times like this, so I'd flat call, (folding to a push) and see what the flop brings.

But TBH, the way to play this hand would be very much based on how the game had been going and developing and the history with the two of you. You'd really need about the previous 10 hands to make an accurate assessment, at this stage your cards don't matter that much, you're just playing the opponent. [EDIT: I know Villain only has 6 BB's but it's a home game and who knows what had been going on]

Wombatman · 19-06-2006 2:21pm

Ste05 wrote:

If min-raises has been stealing this guys blinds in the past then it's fine, and you can now fold easily...

Min raise will fold him ........ right JacQues

jacQues · 19-06-2006 2:25pm

Ste05 wrote:

If min-raises has been stealing this guys blinds in the past then it's fine, and you can now fold easily...

Wombatman wrote:

Min raise will fold him ........ right JacQues

I am pretty sure that it depends on the hole cards.

jacQues

Ste05 · 19-06-2006 2:27pm

Ste05 wrote:

and you can now fold easily...

Hmmmm. Pot = 40 + 40 + 85 = 165 and it's 85 to call, therefore we're getting about 2:1 on our money, I didn't even think about the maths before but I actually think I'd call here.

jacQues · 19-06-2006 2:36pm

Ste05 wrote:

You could fold here, BUT: If you do the maths,
Pot = 40 + 40 + 85 = 165 and it's 85 to call, therefore we're getting about 2:1 on our money, I didn't do the maths before but I actually think I'd call here.

Hold on. Wouldn't you do those maths before you decide to steal the blind? Meaning; you know BB is tight and usually folds to a min-raise, therefore you may try to steal but if he pushes he has (much) better than your Q3o and you are probably donating. Knowing both are good players, with knowledge of these odds etc, BB should know hero will call because of odds and therefore would only do this when he "has it".

jacQues

All that table-image gone to waste... <sigh>

fuzzbox · 19-06-2006 2:51pm

guys: the BB has Q3, and the SB has minraised.

N'est pas?

Wombatman · 19-06-2006 2:56pm

fuzzbox wrote:

guys: the BB has Q3, and the SB has minraised.

N'est pas?

SB has Q3. BB has ??????

What does SB do vs push?

marius · 19-06-2006 3:01pm

Wombatman wrote:

SB has Q3. BB has ??????

What does SB do vs push?

Folds

Ste05 · 19-06-2006 3:09pm

jacQues wrote:

Hold on. Wouldn't you do those maths before you decide to steal the blind? Meaning; you know BB is tight and usually folds to a min-raise, therefore you may try to steal but if he pushes he has (much) better than your Q3o and you are probably donating. Knowing both are good players, with knowledge of these odds etc, BB should know hero will call because of odds and therefore would only do this when he "has it".

jacQues

All that table-image gone to waste... <sigh>

True, true, I did originally say that I personally would flat call and see a flop, but as played if he has been folding to a min-raise then you can *possibly* try and steal with this bet if you want, (I didn't get the part where it said they were good players who understand odds, tournament strategy etc. etc., this is a, what looks like a small buy-in, home game I wouldn't take this to mean good players generally, no offence Wombat)

The info we have here is that: the Villain has been folding to min-raises in the past and his pushing range would include suited connectors, therefore you could try and steal his blind with this crappy raise, and call an All-In at the same time, unless he has AA, KK or QQ, or Q(3+) we're getting good odds to call, e.g. Q3s v JJ is about 68:32 or 2.1:1, not great, but just about right....

I'd also add in here that the Shorties Pushing range is alot wider than his Calling range, and so IMO there's more chance his range against our holding would give us at least 40% equity in the pot.

Anyone have PokerStove to work out a proper range here, (don't have it in work).

But again as I also said previously, you'd need loads more info to make any meaningful assessment here, we just don't know what the table dynamics had developed into at this stage.

EDIT: Fcuk it, just don't min-raise a shorty with 6 BB's, :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :eek:

RoundTower · 19-06-2006 3:12pm

you are getting 2-1, you can't really fold.

Wombatman · 19-06-2006 3:14pm

Ste05 wrote:

this is a, what looks like a small buy-in, home game I wouldn't take this to mean good players generally, no offence Wombat)

None taken. I never said I was a good player. Still a student of the game baby

Ste05 · 19-06-2006 3:18pm

Wombatman wrote:

None taken. I never said I was a good player. Still a student of the game baby

I wasn't actually referring to you at all here Wombat, you are reading and posting hands on here, therefore you could be excellent for all I know, I was more referring to the other players at the table.... and the general player of a cheap home game...

jacQues · 19-06-2006 3:37pm

Ste05 wrote:

I wasn't actually referring to you at all here Wombat, you are reading and posting hands on here, therefore you could be excellent for all I know, I was more referring to the other players at the table.... and the general player of a cheap home game...

Probably on tilt tonight...

jacQues

Where is that hammer when you need it?

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