STT hand

tribulus

A home game STT, down to 3 handed, blinds 50/100, iv'e about 1600(BB), small blind, 3400, button 2000,

Button Calls, SB completes and I check with 68o

Both players are solid, tight players, though not afraid to loosen up(the button isn't anyway) shorthanded and willing to make moves if they think they're being pushed around.

Flop comes 5 7 9 rainbow, SB checks, I check (comments) and Button check,
Turn a J giving a flush draw, SB checks again, I bet 1/2 the pot(150), button folds and SB makes it another 350.

I haven't really played much with the SB but he will occasionally bet into people when drawing, I was weary of the check raise but put him on a J or a low pair with a flush draw ( I was quite wrong:o )

I re raise all in for another 1100, he quickly calls and turns over 8 10o for the nut straight, river a blank and i'm gone.

My question is, was checking the flop very bad given I had the straight on a rainbow flop?and pushing the turn when i'd been check raised?
Any help appreciated
Thanks

Lafortezza

No you just got unlucky that he hit his money card on the turn. You should be happy getting all your chips in the middle in this situation. It's 3-handed, stacks are not very deep and villains could have a wide-ish range.
He could have 2 pair, a set, AJ with a flush draw, KQ of the flush suit.

You might have made a bet on the flop, just because you have a big hand and would like to win a big pot. No worries waiting for the run though since you might not get much action unless you let people hit a good 2nd best hand.

Lazare

If you lead out on the flop and he called, which he would've with an open ender, 8 10 is a hand you could've easily put him on when the J came off and he check raises, therefore I think a flop bet may have saved you money.

Hitman Actual

Lazare wrote:

If you lead out on the flop and he called, which he would've with an open ender, 8 10 is a hand you could've easily put him on when the J came off and he check raises, therefore I think a flop bet may have saved you money.

I dont think it's easy to put him on *exactly* T8 here, tbh. SB is effectively playing a random hand here (within reason!), so there are a lot of two-pair hands, pair and flush draw hands here as well as the nut straight. The description of the players in the game (not afraid to make moves, bet with draws etc) makes the decision harder. You'd want an extraordinary read not to go broke here.

There might be a case for just calling the 350 raise on the turn, but if you think he'll call an all-in here with a worse/drawing hand, then go for it.

Lazare

lenny_leonard wrote:

I dont think it's easy to put him on *exactly* T8 here, tbh.

I should've edited out 'easily', but I think a called flop bet would've allowed the OP to consider 8 10 when the J came off. He put him on a J or a low pair with a flush draw. A called flop bet would've given him that bit of info, a raised flop bet facing two pair would've given him the opportunity to get all his chips in the middle with the best hand. The OP was questioning his play on the flop, I think leading at it is usually the best play.

Hitman Actual

Yeah, leading the flop isn't bad at all. But it's a case where slow-playing is fine as well, I think. You're a mile ahead on the flop, and I think the J on the turn is more likely to improve someone to a second best hand where you have a good chance of action. But I agree, a flop bet gives you some info for later streets.

tribulus

yeah if the flop had higher cards and/or a flush draw on it, I would have bet out at it to get action right away but given the situation I thought a check or check/call was fine, tbh i''ve been guilty a few times of being afraid of it being folded around to me that i've slowplayed hands that I shouldn't have.

thanks for the replies