Don't Surf On My Beach!!!!!

Ger Healy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9cXGX0wxrk&search=BJJ

Miles Long

Breaking his board though, that's just mean...

Dragan

Saw this one before….the story behind this clip is that the guy was refusing to leave an area that had been designated for competition and that competition was actually going on. As such, he was posing a hazard to both other surfers and emergency services. When he was asked to leave by a steward on a jet ski he took a swing at him.

However, what the guys did was a little over board. Plus he went for a **** take down, ended up a "geeotine" and had to be saved from it.

The board breaking is apparently the ultimate insult in surfing circles.

PiZaRR-0

Was it needed that he should take a series of elbows to the head? Why didnt yer man just armbar him? The blonde chap basically just got battered over a surfing competition. Hope someone batters the bloke in the cap, the blonde guy didnt do anything in that fight at all! This **** gives MMA a REAL bad name.

Kent Brockman

Glad you posted that explanation cus it looked like gross mis-use of a martial art to me.
Still think he over did it though (looked like he was going to break his arm too! Dirty hair pulling cnut!)

goo

Scumbags
Considering there was two or three of them they could've packed the camera away and carried the chap off the beach. Seriously ridiculous.

Dragan

PiZaRR-0 wrote:

This **** gives MMA a REAL bad name.

Why, because someone took a beating on the beach and got taken down while the attacker's friend called for an armbar???

If that were the case then boxing must have the worst name in the world....nearly every street fight involves a right hook!!!

Miles Long

Dragan wrote:

If that were the case then boxing must have the worst name in the world....nearly every street fight involves a right hook!!!

I don't know, a punch is a punch, any one can do that so it doesn't reflect badly on boxing. This clip shows elbows and holds. That's what makes it a bad reflection on MA, specifically MMA/BJJ for those who know it that far. If there was a clip with a guy perfect guard and fantastic footwork and punches, yes that would reflect badly on boxing IMHO.

goo

Miles Long wrote:

I don't know, a punch is a punch, any one can do that so it doesn't reflect badly on boxing. This clip shows elbows and holds. That's what makes it a bad reflection on MA, specifically MMA/BJJ for those who know it that far. If there was a clip with a guy perfect guard and fantastic footwork and punches, yes that would reflect badly on boxing IMHO.

I think you're well off. I thought you just meant they were clearly learning ju jitsu and that to the uninformed it would reflect badly on mma.

I think they're just ****heads, whatever about their hobbies.

It reflects way worse on surfing than it does on martial arts.

Kent Brockman

Have to agree with you Miles, any dog on the street can throw a punch but it takes some kind of training to fight like the guy on the clip.
Its one thing defending yourself of fighting back but this guy had no intention of resolving the situation any other way than giving the bloke a beating and getting his mate to video it while his other mate made sure he wouldnt get hurt. Cowardly if you ask me. And I dont think the punishment fitted the crime.

Miles Long

It was him in the clip, you just can't make him out in the hat...

meditraitor

Not a very nice person, it doesnt really reflect bad on MA as he wasnt very proficient,and the victim in this case was an easy target for a bully like him, backing off from the very beginning,
He tries that sissy shat on O'Connel street on a saturday night and he would be broken up...

Dragan

Kent Brockman wrote:

Have to agree with you Miles, any dog on the street can throw a punch but it takes some kind of training to fight like the guy on the clip.

Not really actually. I have had no training in MMA or BJJ whatsoever, yet I know that against any joe on the street I could do the same with ease.

Not being arrogant it's just that I would expect anyone who has so much as watched a UFC or Pride event, and had 2 friends standing by telling your victim not to defend himself or they would "break his nose" that you could pretty much do what you wanted to them.

No?

Kent Brockman

I would be very surprised if the attacker in question has no Bjj or mma training.I am a fan of ufc for a long time but only started Bjj 8 months ago and to be honest watching on telly and actually putting an armbar on in reality are very different.There is a lot of technique required which is not obvious from tv.

"Its one thing defending yourself of fighting back but this guy had no intention of resolving the situation any other way than giving the bloke a beating and getting his mate to video it while his other mate made sure he wouldnt get hurt. Cowardly if you ask me. And I dont think the punishment fitted the crime"

At least we are agreed on the above quote?
PS Were do you find out how to do the fancy text boxes and links etc on the posts?

Roper

This clip has been going around for a couple of years. Mostly its posted as a "aren't BJJ guys jerks/scumbags" example.

That situation could have been resolved better, but its an example of a man being a jerk, thats all.

Dragan

Kent Brockman wrote:

I would be very surprised if the attacker in question has no Bjj or mma training.I am a fan of ufc for a long time but only started Bjj 8 months ago and to be honest watching on telly and actually putting an armbar on in reality are very different.There is a lot of technique required which is not obvious from tv.

True, but there was no armbar in this video. Just a moron with a camera calling for one. This hardly means that either guy was trained, just that they know what an armbar is.

As such, all this video is, is a guy getting taken down with a crap double leg and getting punched and elbowed, just like a lot of other fights. At most it was buy a guy who trains some mma, at the very least by a few way ward MMA fans.

Either way, no matter what it was, the guy is prick.

Kent Brockman

1 min 14 of the video he tries to put on a sneaky arm bar while they are being separated and this can only have been an attempt to break the guys arm at this stage.You're right a total prick.
(Still dont know how to add in text boxes or links... anybody???)

TempestSabre

The skinny guys an idiot, but they could have just taken the board and broken it to start with. End of problem. No need at all to try and delibrately break his nose/face, not when the guy is pretty much defenseless.

Dragan

TempestSabre wrote:

The skinny guys an idiot, but they could have just taken the board and broken it to start with. End of problem. No need at all to try and delibrately break his nose/face, not when the guy is pretty much defenseless.

Thats just thug mentality, you'll find it pretty much anywhere.

The need to feel like they "thought him a lesson.....we f*cking showed him".

Really, all you did was record youself assaulting someone and then put it on the net.......now tell me where you come in on the evolutionary scale?

FiannaGym.com

Total abuse of power and hopefully "prison bound".

Peace

ShaneT

Makes me sick. :mad:

Now perhaps someone should tell me again that the "ethical codes" and "values" that are still taught in TMA schools are outmoded and unneccessary... :rolleyes:

The blonde kid was trying to walk away. What ever he was saying, getting jumped and mauled by some fcukwit UFC wannabe is inexcusable. I hope that Karma finds him very very soon....

"With great power comes great responsibility" - Uncle Ben to Peter Parker (Spiderman)

This idiot should be kicked out of whatever school he's training in and never allowed to return (of course, his appauling "technique" suggests that his "training" consists of watching the UFC and rolling around on the beach with friends). Thugs like this make me puke.

Black Swan

Whoa, board breaking!:eek:
*assumes a defensive position in front of board ready to confront attackers*

Clive

ShaneT wrote:

Now perhaps someone should tell me again that the "ethical codes" and "values" that are still taught in TMA schools are outmoded and unneccessary... :rolleyes:

They're outmoded and unneccessary
Anyone who needs a martial arts instructor to tell them not to beat people up is the last person who should be learning how to do it.

Sugar_Ray

Is BJJ an art, because if it is, then what was on that video does it zero justice. A scumbag trying to beat up someone. Where's the art or skill in that?

Clive

Clive wrote:

Anyone who needs a martial arts instructor to tell them not to beat people up is the last person who should be learning how to do it.

LISTEN TO HIM PEOPLE.

That video shows one jerk getting beaten up by a load of jerks. All this art crap and sensei told us not to fight crap is idiotic. Come on people. I'll semi-repeat Clive's words. If you need an overweight kiai-ing martial arts instructor with bad hair to tell you that beating up people that you're seriously outnumbering on a whim is wrong then you probably should'nt be training in martial arts. In fact you should probably just end it now. For the gene pool.

There was me thinking that the majority of sane, intelligent people are brought up not to want to kick the crap out of people for no reason.

Roper

Clive,

How much does a subscription to your monthly newsletter cost again? Just curious...;)

Tim_Murphy

I'm with Clive on this one.

People thinking that they have the right to teach others about ethics or moral values simply because the got a black belt in some MA is a pet hate of mine.

Miles Long

Tim_Murphy wrote:

People thinking that they have the right to teach others about ethics or moral values simply because the got a black belt in some MA is a pet hate of mine.

I agree to a degree. But, values and virtues aren't just known. They have to be developed. Now, w.r.t. this thread, whoever taught this guys has no moral high ground from which to preach about ehtics but if an Instructor has a "Do as I say not as I Do" approach and what he says is rightious, regardless as to whether he acts that way or not, in theory a student can take what he says on board and learn from it.

Just a thought not really my opinion as such.

Dragan

Miles Long wrote:

Now, w.r.t. this thread, whoever taught this guys has no moral high ground from which to preach about ehtics but if an Instructor has a "Do as I say not as I Do" approach and what he says is rightious, regardless as to whether he acts that way or not, in theory a student can take what he says on board and learn from it.

Why not? You can't tell me that because a student may act badly that we are to assume that his teacher/trainer is a prick??? His trainer may be the nicest person in the world, we have no way to know one or the other, and should not judge a trainer based on the actions of one student.

To be honest, a "Do as i say not as i do" attitude just makes me want to punch people as it's a bull**** thing. You need to lead my example and live a good clean life if you expect others to do the same, and especially if you want to tell others to do the same. Other wise your words are just dust in my opinion.

mirwillbeback

Dragan wrote:

Not really actually. I have had no training in MMA or BJJ whatsoever, yet I know that against any joe on the street I could do the same with ease.

Not being arrogant it's just that I would expect anyone who has so much as watched a UFC or Pride event, and had 2 friends standing by telling your victim not to defend himself or they would "break his nose" that you could pretty much do what you wanted to them.

No?

Dragan, I think you seriously under estimate the skills required in MMA / BJJ. I've been watching football all week and know full well I couldnt score free kicks from 40yards.

How exactly do you think you can put and arm bar on someone - it isnt as easy as grabbing their arm and pulling it. It requires technique and timing and not just some idea of what the result should be.

Crazy thinking...:rolleyes:

Dragan

mirwillbeback wrote:

Dragan, I think you seriously under estimate the skills required in MMA / BJJ. I've been watching football all week and know full well I couldnt score free kicks from 40yards.

How exactly do you think you can put and arm bar on someone - it isnt as easy as grabbing their arm and pulling it. It requires technique and timing and not just some idea of what the result should be.

Crazy thinking...:rolleyes:

I don't think you should think that i underestimate anything. Did i say anywhere that BJJ/MMA is easy? Nope

I was simply pointing out that what happens in that video is hardly at a top level of skill, no armbar is actually put on at all.....the whole "tries to put on an armbar at the end"....yeah sure.....he's getting pulled off and is holding on, thats about it....he never tried to transition to any sort of arm bar, just grabbed the arm when he was being pulled off is all.

All the video contains is a crap takedown, some puches and elbows from the top and a hand holding session at the end.

My point was it could just as easily be someone who has never trained and has just watch some mma.....it's really not that difficult to beat someone up who is afraid to try and defend himself as the guy in the video was, regardless of the style you try to emulate.

I thought that was pretty clear from my first post??? No???? Maybe you should re read my original and watch the video in that context???

Miles Long

Dragan wrote:

Why not? You can't tell me that because a student may act badly that we are to assume that his teacher/trainer is a prick??? His trainer may be the nicest person in the world, we have no way to know one or the other, and should not judge a trainer based on the actions of one student.

To be honest, a "Do as i say not as i do" attitude just makes me want to punch people as it's a bull**** thing. You need to lead my example and live a good clean life if you expect others to do the same, and especially if you want to tell others to do the same. Other wise your words are just dust in my opinion.

Whoa Black Betty (Bam Ba Lam) I'm just thickening the soup. I also hate the "Do as I say...", It's complete ****! I just figured if the instructor talks positivley and rightiously regardless of what s/he does, a student can still learn from what he's been told.

Dragan wrote:

All the video contains is a crap takedown, some puches and elbows from the top and a hand holding session at the end.

Regardless of how good/bad the attacks were they are hallmarks of a MA. There is a mentality in the attacker that say "Takedown, elbow etc" . I don't think a 'normal' street fight would have these with such definition. It was bad fighting (so I'm told) but the nature of it was a basis of structure. It's this structure that non-MA people see and associate towards the "MMA/BJJ/Any MA are bad" reputation.

Rory!

mirwillbeback

Dragan wrote:

I don't think you should think that i underestimate anything. Did i say anywhere that BJJ/MMA is easy? Nope

I was simply pointing out that what happens in that video is hardly at a top level of skill, no armbar is actually put on at all.....the whole "tries to put on an armbar at the end"....yeah sure.....he's getting pulled off and is holding on, thats about it....he never tried to transition to any sort of arm bar, just grabbed the arm when he was being pulled off is all.

All the video contains is a crap takedown, some puches and elbows from the top and a hand holding session at the end.

My point was it could just as easily be someone who has never trained and has just watch some mma.....it's really not that difficult to beat someone up who is afraid to try and defend himself as the guy in the video was, regardless of the style you try to emulate.

I thought that was pretty clear from my first post??? No???? Maybe you should re read my original and watch the video in that context???

Dragan, apologies, I thought you meant that MMA / BJJ was easy :mad

. To be honest, I probably used to think that too till I trained and realised just how hard it can be to apply armbars etc. Jesus, nearly 4 years training and I cant do an arm bar from mount.

if you go here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgGbWwEUp9g&search=hawaiian%20beatdown

you can see the full story - the victim wasnt as innocent as the vid would make you believe.

Dragan

mirwillbeback wrote:

Dragan, apologies, I thought you meant that MMA / BJJ was easy :mad

Ah not to worry, have the time i can't even properly express what i want to say!!!!

I have some small experience with some grappling, and a bit more with wrestling and a lot more with striking......believe me, i know it ain't easy!!!:D

ShaneT

mirwillbeback wrote:

if you go here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgGbWwEUp9g&search=hawaiian%20beatdown
you can see the full story - the victim wasnt as innocent as the vid would make you believe.

Um... the beach attack was still unprovoked. He was grabbed and jumped on by the idiot. Full stop.

Dragan

ShaneT wrote:

Um... the beach attack was still unprovoked. He was grabbed and jumped on by the idiot. Full stop.

Exactly, but how come no one says the reflects badly on surfers?

TempestSabre

Dragan wrote:

Exactly, but how come no one says the reflects badly on surfers?

...these surfers, not all surfers I'd assume.

ShaneT

Dragan wrote:

Exactly, but how come no one says the reflects badly on surfers?

It's funny you should say that because I was thinking, "Damn! Surfers are territorial...!"

Doesn't apply to all, I know. But, I remember trying (and failing) to learn to surf in Devon about 10 years ago. Treated like CRAP for "getting in the way". :rolleyes:

Still, that's life I suppose. The only reason I focused on the Martial Arts "ethics" side of things was because this idiot used his time watching a martial arts competitions to improve his ability to "bully others". And, bullying is very much my pet hate. :mad:

-ShaneT

meditraitor

Here is the training video at fault

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6296671473847707798&q=genre%3Acomedy

ShaneT

meditraitor wrote:

Here is the training video at fault

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6296671473847707798&q=genre%3Acomedy

Now THAT'S funny! The Monty Python Background music is PERFECT.

Hard to pick a winner though.

Will it be "The Fat Bloke's Guide to Fake Systema" or "Escrima for Morris Dancers"?

Hmmm.... maybe we should start a poll?