IT Recruitment agencies

Kazujo

Just wondering if anyone has had good experiences with any of the many IT recruitment agencies in Dublin.

I'm looking for a permanent job not interested in contracting or being out sourced to a other companies.

krankykitty

I personally had good experiences with RealTime Recruitment.
They didnt waste my time with non relevant jobs, got me several interviews and job offer too. Made sure they kept me in the loop for all of the process too.

However, recruitment agencies really are a mixed bag!

Red Alert

the thing to always keep in mind with recruitment agencies is:

the company/employer is the Client/Customer.

you are the product that they're trying to sell.

now they want repeat business from the company so they're more likely to screw you over rather than them.

seamus

Red Alert wrote:

now they want repeat business from the company so they're more likely to screw you over rather than them.

This is true, but the main thing to watch out for is that a lot of recruiters are effectively salespeople - in it for the cash, only for the short-term, and not interested in doing the job properly.

While each company has its little gems of recruiters, you're lucky to get in contact with one of them.

comer_97

i've had lots of bad experiences with agencies. The main problem is (with the ones I have dealt with) is that they do not care. They are sales people, nothing more.

ianmc38

I'd advise against going through CPL. A bunch of greedy cnuts.

DOLEMAN

Agencies are sales people, nothing more. I went for an interview with one (was offered the job, realised I was mad to even be considering it) and the interview consisted of "you will be a sales person, the companies pay our wages, we don't give a **** about the jobseeker".

Saying that... there are a few good recruiters. Eolas seem to be OK. CPL have good contracts with good employers, but they are quite unprofessional. There used to be an agency called Kudos (I think they are now TMP?) who were excellent.

The Hill Billy

For what it is worth, I've had positive experiences with Elan IT & MSB.
But that may have been down to the individuals I've dealt with.

OP - What do you have against being outsourced as a permy employee? Can be rather more interesting than just working within the one organisation.

seamus

I've had good experiences with a particular employee in Eolas, don't want to name her here, lest she has 20 jobseekers ringing her tomorrow. She returned calls when she said she would, even if she had no update (even texted me from her mobile one evening) - this was the one thing which had me hating recruitment agencies in the past.

Kazujo

Cheers for the info,

I've worked as an out sourced employee for a few years it was grand but I'd like to actually work for the company that I'm working in for a change.

Standard Toaster

ianmc38 wrote:

I'd advise against going through CPL. A bunch of greedy cnuts.

I've had good experiences with CPL. No complaints here.

ToxicPaddy

Avoid EPeople like the plague, a complete bunch of incompetent twats.

Couldnt organise a pissup in a brewery!!!

There is one person in particular there who I had the misfortune of dealing with. I'd ring about a position as their descriptions are vague at the best of times.. It was like talking to a robot

Me: Hi there I'd like to enquire about X position
E-People: Sorry I cant discuss the position until you've sent in a CV.
Me: I actually have sent in my CV
E-People: Sorry I cant find a copy of your CV, can you please resend it.

I resend it.

Me: Hi I was talking to you earlier about X position
E-People: Ehh were you? Sorry I dont recall. Did you send in your CV?

Eventually they find my CV and tell me they will call me back tomorrow as they have a number of CV's t review. No call, I call back and back to the same loop about my CV again :mad:

Then I get an e-mail from them informing me of "exciting opportunites" that I'd be perfect for. Not one of them is even remotely similar to the area I work in and who's sent it.. but the complete twat again.

AVOID!!!!!!!!!!

krankykitty

ToxicPaddy wrote:

Avoid EPeople like the plague, a complete bunch of incompetent twats.

I'd agree with you on this one. used to get loads of phonecalls from this one who could barely speak english and who used to berate me for having the cheek to have a particular salary expectation which she didn't think appropriate.
Would say she would send my CV forward for jobs, and then I'd hear nothing back until another call a month or so later when I'd be asked the same questions that I had already gone through numerous times before...

dazberry

ToxicPaddy wrote:

Avoid EPeople like the plague, a complete bunch of incompetent twats.

Glad to know its not just me then.

Back in 2001 I applied for a job that they had advertised, and they decided to send out me CV to somewhere completely different. Of course they had decided they were doing a job search for me - where I had the impression that I'd applied for a job. Naturally I discovered this when they rang me with an interview date/time, and got pretty shirty when I refused to do the interview - because beyond anything else - it would be good practice.

So I rang the company, got on to HR and told them that my CV was there without my permission . The company got on to EPeople and eventually EPeople got on to me and tried to read me the riot act - which just ended up with them giving out to me and when I wasn't having any of it - hanging up.

During the heated conversation - I made it very clear I wanted my CV removed, and after the phone call I got an email from someone else that this had been done.

ToxicPaddy - I still get those Word Documents in blank emails telling of all their great jobs - even thou' I've asked them to remove me from their list again (admittedly I sent back a blank email with a word document with the phrase TAKE ME OFF YOUR LIST is large font - well it seemed funny at the time).

If I was in the market I would also avoid Computer Futures, Computer People and Osborne Recruitment.

D.

eth0_

I would stay away from Computer Futures, they're total sheisters. They exaggerate the jobs they have...for instance i thought I was starting a contract as a sys admin, in fact it was a helpdesk role and the Dublin office had no admin power whatsoever.

I started recently on a contract I got through Eolas, it's insanely good money and they were good at briefing me about the role.

DOLEMAN

ToxicPaddy wrote:

Eventually they find my CV and tell me they will call me back tomorrow as they have a number of CV's t review. No call, I call back and back to the same loop about my CV again :mad:

Seriously now, seriously... The reason for this is because they are just harvesting CVs. There never was a job in the first place.

This is how agencies work -

1. Collect CVs.
2. Fire them off to employers hoping one bites.
3. Profit.

That's it.

So next time you see an agency job remember... the job probably doesn't exist.

randomname

Man i'd have to disagree current job i'm in currently is because of a recruitment agency and the last 4 interviews i had have before i got this job have been through agencies.

If you have the skills agencies can work out well.
Elan are pretty good.

stopper

I went to an open day that Brightwater held some months back. Got to meet one of the consultants and spoke to her about job opportunities they had. Said she would be in touch with me the following day. That was the last I heard from her!

I found also some agencies when I'm in contact with them tend to ask if I had done any interviews lately. All they want to know is which companies are looking for people so that they can fire in cvs to them.

DOLEMAN

randomname wrote:

Man i'd have to disagree current job i'm in currently is because of a recruitment agency and the last 4 interviews i had have before i got this job have been through agencies.

If you have the skills agencies can work out well.
Elan are pretty good.

Yes, agencies can work. But in your situation - most likely - you have a good CV, the recruiter fired it off to many employers, and some bit...

You could have done their job yourself, but instead they did the "hard work" and probably got about 10k for it...

Kazujo

I actually dealt with Elan a while back and they did actually ring me back and talk to me about the job. I might try them and CPL.

Brian21156

If going with CPL note there is two divisions one is CPL and the other is CPL Managed Services. CPL recruit directly for permanent positions with companies where you work for the company. However with CPL Managed Services you work for CPL and get paid peanuts. They take a huge chunk of your pay each year.

CreativeA

I met with CPL they seem nice but didnt really have many good suitable jobs and they were all very interested in getting me to work fr them. I think that maybe they are a bit too big becuase I got calls from about 6 different agents all talking about the same cr*p jobs