Born Again Christian

Heart_N_Soul

Hi Guys,
I have just become a Born-Again Christian (newborn!!) Have a few questions...

Im just wondering are there many Born Again Christians using this forum??
Can anyone recommend some albums for me to get to listen to?
Can anyone recommend any churches? My boyfriend is going to Victory Outreach, but Ill probably go somewhere else...
Many thanks
Emma

Zombrex

Heart_N_Soul wrote:

Im just wondering are there many Born Again Christians using this forum??
Can anyone recommend any churches?

Well technically any Christian is "born-again" but I'm assuming you are using the term in the Evangelical or Penteocostal way as a spiritual re-awakening (aren't they normally the ones who use the term "Born Again"?). Anyway there is a Pentecostal church in Cellbridge. No idea what is is like though (I'm not Christian).

http://kildare.ie/community/directory/details.asp?CAID=601

robindch

> [Heart_N_Soul] Im just wondering are there many Born Again Christians using this forum??

I believe one of the forum moderators is, though I'll wait for him to confirm that. There are also fundamentalist christians of the bluest hue, as there are atheists of the reddest. We're a merry bunch -- welcome!

> Can anyone recommend some albums for me to get to listen to?

For "christian rock", the only thing I can recommend is a grenade and a prolonged sprint in the other direction. Personally, I'd recommend trying out either of Bach's Passions, and the organ music of the French mystics Tournemire and Messian, but they're not to everybody's taste.

> [Wicknight] Well technically any Christian is "born-again"

Not sure about that. My own understanding is that people who refer to themselves as "born-again" are typically people who've come to believe (generally in their teens or very early twenties) that "salvation" is the one dogma which makes one a complete christian, rather than the traditional christian view that one must believe a series of dogmas to be considered one. I'm open to correction on this, but I suspect there's as much inter-faction agreement on this as there is on any other issue!

Zombrex

robindch wrote:

Not sure about that. My own understanding is that people who refer to themselves as "born-again" are typically people who've come to believe (generally in their teens or very early twenties) that "salvation" is the one dogma which makes one a complete christian

True, but that is a rather recent, narrow, interpritation of the term "born again" that is mentioned in the Bible.

For example the Catholic Church teaches that someone who is baptised is born-again. A lot of other Christians churches would also reject the more fundamentalists definition of "born-again," that being that it is only someone who has had a profound experience of the spirit of God is "born again" They would say that all Christians who have been baptised and who live a Christian life are born-again, even if they never have a profound life changing experience with God.

Anyways, don't want to drag this off topic. The exact definition of "born again" is probably better in another thread

BrianCalgary

Welcome heartnsoul. There are a number of born againers on this board of which I am one. I attend a Christian and Missionary Alliance church in Calgary Canada.
My interpretation of one who is born again is quite simple. It is one who has accepted God's free gift of grace by accepting Jesus as their personal saviour. No works required. Baptism follows as an act of obedience and a public demonstration of your decision to be commited to Christ, whereas the actual acceptance might be a very personal occasion.

As for music, I am not a music person. I can live without it and don't follow it at all. I'm tone deaf and tend to hear a load of noise whatever I listen to. i will leave that topic up to others who are more knowledgable.

All the best in your relationship to the living God. May you continue to grow in relationship with Him.

Brian

Excelsior

I am very glad to hear you have become a Christian. As far as Christian music is concerned, I echo a lot of what our resident sketpic, Robin has had to say but if you are looking for some rock music written by Christians then I can only strongly recommend Sufjan Stevens and Jars of Clay.

There is a church called Naas Christian Fellowship (behind SuperValu I think) and there is Naas Presbyterian Church. Both of which are Evangelical Christian churches. Any church that proclaims the Gospel is good though so don't get narrow minded about your Christianity- you have a lifetime to let that effect settle in!

Feel free to pm me if you'd like more info or have any questions.

Crucifix

Excelsior wrote:

...Sufjan Stevens...

I was about to mention him myself. Great music. 'Seven Swans' probably has the most overtly religious songs, but his other stuff has the theme too.

pbsuxok1znja4r

robindch wrote:

For "christian rock", the only thing I can recommend is a grenade and a prolonged sprint in the other direction.

Heh there is actually some great 'christian' music out there, you just have to look a little harder. Though the good stuff isn't usually what you'd call overtly christian. OP, if you like any metal or punk I'd recommend bands like Zao, Underoath, Comeback Kid, As I Lay Dying, Norma Jean, Heislegend, Thrice, Mewithoutyou, even some Megadeth!

Excelsior

What about Zwan?



...I'l get my coat.

Dades

Excelsior wrote:

What about Zwan?

What?!

Don't tell me that's Christian rock? Aaargh I've been proselytised without my knowledge!

Heart_N_Soul

Hi Guys,
Thanks for your help! Iv bought a couple on Ebay:
Elvis Gospel CD
Ruben Studdard - I need an angel (he's the guy from Americal Pop Idol)
Michelle Williams - Heart to yours (she's from Destiny's child - its a gospel cd)

So im looking forward to getting these, then ill probably get Jars of Clay, Kirk Franklin or Mary Mary... its seems there is actually loads of music out there, I found some websites with some recommendations!

I was really into Evanescence, love the music and though it was Christian but I saw on a website that they arent at all...
They're still great though!

Chat soon,
Emma

Puck

You do realise you can be a Christian without liking that kind of music? I can't stand most of it to be honest. Can't stand most hymns either. Bad music is bad music and replacing "baby" with "Jesus" doesn't change that.

For the record though, Sufjan rules!

GoldieBear

Hi just wondering is Christian Felllowship the same as being a born again Christian. i've been to a few meetings in Cork with my neighbours. It consists of lots of singing, a fair bit of scrupture reading and prayer. Once a month there are guest speakers who give testimony of their faith and of how it has been both challenged and enhanced. Perhaps if both are not the same some one could explain the difference to me. I know that to be born again , you have to take a leap of faith and entrust your self to be saved by God's free gift of grace.

Thanks,
Sheil

wolfsbane

Heart N Soul said:

Can anyone recommend some albums for me to get to listen to?

Welcome, Sister!

I'm not into the music in a big way, but for modern music with a message and that honours the Lord, see Steve Camp's stuff. He has a website where you can sample I believe.

BrianCalgary

GoldieBear wrote:

Hi just wondering is Christian Felllowship the same as being a born again Christian. i've been to a few meetings in Cork with my neighbours. It consists of lots of singing, a fair bit of scrupture reading and prayer. Once a month there are guest speakers who give testimony of their faith and of how it has been both challenged and enhanced. Perhaps if both are not the same some one could explain the difference to me. I know that to be born again , you have to take a leap of faith and entrust your self to be saved by God's free gift of grace.

Thanks,
Sheil

No Christian Fellowship does not mean you are a Christian. Just as me sitting at the pub makes me a drinker.

You have to come to aplace in time where you accept Christ as your saviour. Being in Christian Fellowship is a great start. Ask one of your friends there what it means to become a Christian and they will be glad to walk with you. It is an exciting journey.

All the best and keep us posted.
God Bless
brian

I'd recommend the Bach cantatas...especially "Jesu, der du meine seele"... beautiful arias.

BrianCalgary

I kinda like Robin Mark.

GoldieBear

BrianCalgary wrote:

No Christian Fellowship does not mean you are a Christian. Just as me sitting at the pub makes me a drinker.

You have to come to aplace in time where you accept Christ as your saviour. Being in Christian Fellowship is a great start. Ask one of your friends there what it means to become a Christian and they will be glad to walk with you. It is an exciting journey.

All the best and keep us posted.
God Bless
brian

I will do guys, i'm going to the meeting on Sunday eve and the pastor seems nice (he's a nephew of the nextdoor neighbour).

the clansman

Heart_N_Soul wrote:

Hi Guys,
Can anyone recommend some albums for me to get to listen to?
Emma

i presume you mean christian rock,why should the music you listento have to reflect your religious beliefs?

i can recomend many albums...none of them christian though

pink floyd-dark side of the moon
pantera-reinventing the steel
metallica-kill em all
rory gallagher-tatoo
cradle of filth-domination and a day
megadeth-rust in peace
slayer-rain in blood
john fruschante-shadows colide with people

BrianCalgary

the clansman wrote:

i presume you mean christian rock,why should the music you listento have to reflect your religious beliefs?

Why would you want to listen to music that glorifies sex and violence? I know some of the albums you listed don't do this. Many I have never heard of, so I could be wrong on your list. When I do see MTV videos and currecnt music it does glorify sex, drugs and violence.

You listen to Christian music because it should glorify God through Christ.

Well, not all music is one or the other you know...

BrianCalgary

bluewolf wrote:

Well, not all music is one or the other you know...

I know. In fact there is a lot of Christian music that I can't stand. I don't even listen to our local Christian radio.

mikeruurds

A UK band called "Delirious" is really great to listen to. Specifically if you can get hold of their "Cutting Edge" CD's - they'll really put you in the mood to worship the Lord.

Other really nice worship music that I would recommend would be anything from Hillsongs, Robin Mark (Excellent), Vineyard Music, Matt Redman.

I'd be into the worship music but also contemporary christian metal and hard rock. I also listen to normal secular music but nothing beats a good worship CD when you need a little upliftment.


Check out www.christianbook.com - it's a great site with CDs at excellent prices from the US. There's not much of a selection in the stores here. Victory Christian Fellowship on Dame Street has a bookshop which could probably order some stuff in for you.

I hope you enjoy your first steps as a "born again" Christian. It only gets better from here

Regards
Mike

Fallen Seraph

The requiems of Faure and Mozart and Mozart's Mass in Cm for the win!

robindch

> The requiems of Faure and Mozart

Crumbs, if you're going for Requiems, do Duruflé's one instead! It's ten times Mozart's efforts, and a hundred times Fauré's (whose form he copied, but result he far exceeded). With the arguable exception of Tallis' monumental Spem in Alium, Duruflé's Domine, Jesu Christe and In Paradisum, and his Requiem as a whole, must be amongst the most subtly flawless, and exquisitely sublime, choral works ever written.

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the clansman

BrianCalgary wrote:

Why would you want to listen to music that glorifies sex and violence? I know some of the albums you listed don't do this. Many I have never heard of, so I could be wrong on your list. When I do see MTV videos and currecnt music it does glorify sex, drugs and violence.

You listen to Christian music because it should glorify God through Christ.

sex-a good thing would anybody be here if it did not exist

drugs-in moderation like also a good thing

you seem kinda anti sex and drugs, are they not like i duno gifts god gave us.. do we have to spend all our time abstaining from the worlds pleasures?

some of the albums have anti war themes to them by the way

also none of that is mtv crap

Pocari Sweat

Brian confirms that god and his flavour of christianity is ultimately real and good and has few other proper options and the way to live your life.

Most people get up in the morning, with their own brains and carry out their daily business without needing to be patronised by pretentious dogmatic antiquated religious contradictory thought running their lives.

Some religions tell you to go to church. Others go further and tell you to repent and confess.

Others tell you to get down on your knees and pray to god on a prayer mat facing south or some direction.

Others recommend a life is well spent is holding your left arm up for 25 years to show devotion to god.

I'm not saying it is totally all waffle.

But modern people can make their own minds up.

Excelsior

Thank God we can as well.

Not like those fools in the olden days who weren't as smart as us and couldn't make up their own minds... oh wait....

BrianCalgary

the clansman wrote:

sex-a good thing would anybody be here if it did not exist

When done in context of a loving marriage. Otherwise it is abuse of a good thing.

the clansman wrote:

drugs-in moderation like also a good thing

Only for the curing of disease.

the clansman wrote:

you seem kinda anti sex and drugs, are they not like i duno gifts god gave us.. do we have to spend all our time abstaining from the worlds pleasures?

I have seen too many ruined lives through the use of drugs and sex as recreational. It isn't worth it.

the clansman wrote:

some of the albums have anti war themes to them by the way

also none of that is mtv crap

Thanks.

Zombrex

BrianCalgary wrote:

Why would you want to listen to music that glorifies sex and violence?

Doesn't the Bible glorify sex and violence? They seems to get mentioned an awful lot, particularly by God.

BrianCalgary wrote:

When I do see MTV videos and currecnt music it does glorify sex, drugs and violence.

They don't have music on MTV any more, unfortunately. Just hour after hour of crap reality TV

Zombrex

BrianCalgary wrote:

I have seen too many ruined lives through the use of drugs and sex as recreational. It isn't worth it

Funny, I know a few people who say the same thing about marriage

BrianCalgary

Wicknight wrote:

Doesn't the Bible glorify sex and violence? They seems to get mentioned an awful lot, particularly by God.

The Bible doesn't glorify sex and violence it just reports on it's happening.

Wicknight wrote:

They don't have music on MTV any more, unfortunately. Just hour after hour of crap reality TV

Shows how long its been since I turned it on.

Zombrex

BrianCalgary wrote:

The Bible doesn't glorify sex and violence it just reports on it's happening.

Well depends on what you mean by "glorify".

God wiping out all life on Earth being presented as a good thing might be construde as glorifying violence. In fact nearlly all the violence in the Bible is considered good, is that not glorifying violence as a means to an end?

BrianCalgary wrote:

Shows how long its been since I turned it on.

Yeah, it really has got crap. If you want music you have to buy a digital package (which comes with a Christian music channel btw)

GoldieBear

I actually like the Joan Osbourne Song 'what if God was one of us'. It really makes you think abou your place in the plan of life.

the clansman

BrianCalgary wrote:

Only for the curing of disease.



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jesus drank wine(alcohols a drug) he even turned water into wine :eek:

ha says so in the bible!

mikeruurds

There is some major thread hijacking going on here.

Interesting discussion though.

Mik

BrianCalgary

the clansman wrote:

jesus drank wine(alcohols a drug) he even turned water into wine :eek:

ha says so in the bible!

that He did. The Bible also states
Romans 13:13
Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy.

Ephesians 5:18
Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.

The Bible never says don't drink alcohol. Just not to get drunk. Too many people unfortunately drink to get drunk.

the clansman

cant beat brian in an argument on the bible

Nay473

Heart_N_Soul wrote: »

Hi Guys,
I have just become a Born-Again Christian (newborn!!) Have a few questions...

Im just wondering are there many Born Again Christians using this forum??
Can anyone recommend some albums for me to get to listen to?
Can anyone recommend any churches? My boyfriend is going to Victory Outreach, but Ill probably go somewhere else...
Many thanks
Emma

Hi, YouTube kingdom muzic. Bryann t- faith and love. Third day - cry out to jesus. Ty brasel- praying hands. Elevation--o come to the altar.

Nay473

Heart_N_Soul wrote: »

Hi Guys,
I have just become a Born-Again Christian (newborn!!) Have a few questions...

Im just wondering are there many Born Again Christians using this forum??
Can anyone recommend some albums for me to get to listen to?
Can anyone recommend any churches? My boyfriend is going to Victory Outreach, but Ill probably go somewhere else...
Many thanks
Emma

Hi, YouTube kingdom muzic. Bryann t- faith and love. Third day - cry out to jesus. Ty brasel- praying hands. Elevation--o come to the altar.

MistyLines

I'm a Born Again Christian. Wonderful to hear that you have Jesus in your life! Will be praying that your walk with God strengthens every day! Some great Christian music out there, I happen to love TobyMac, Unspoken, Crowder, Lauren Daigle, Urban Rescue and NeedToBreathe. All on YouTube.

martinedwards

Well Heart_n_soul, if you're still around you'll have seen that the Christian forum on boards is........ a broad church!

I kinda like it, but it can be a bit scary.....

SO, Yes there are some evangelical born againers in here, and I'm happy and proud to stand in that corner.

As to Music...... well, personal taste comes into it, I like a bit of 80s rock so love Stryper and Petra, a bit more current, Mercy me and Third day.......

less Grindy..... Delerious? have been mentioned, Robin Mark is always safe (if a little.... well.... traditional....) and Kieth and Kirsten Getty have written some of the finest worship songs in the last 50 years.

As to churches, I'm assuming you're in Dublin?

http://www.saintcatherines.ie/

Big old building that LOOKS like a church, really contemporary inside. Great folk, and it's where I go if I'm in Dub.

Welcome to the fold!