Cold deck or could be played better?

Daithio

I qualified for the pokerstars WSOP $615 sat last night and was cruising until this hand occurred. I have 5.5k, and the average is 7k, but I'm in great shape as the blinds are still only 100-200. There are 175 players left with 25 tickets. The play has been extremely tight and solid with only good hands being shown down. I'd only been at this table for about 2 hands so have no information on any of the players when this hand occurrs.

A guy with a 22k stack (huge at this stage) makes it 600 utg, and I'm in the sb with JJ, I flat call, as does the BB. My reasoning for flat calling here is that I didn't really want to be playing JJ out of position on the flop against such a big stack if the flop was bad, and early positional raisers were due ALOT of respect in this game, so I was more than willing to drop it if there were any overcards on the flop (correct reasoning?). The flop comes down KJ9, all clubs. I bet out 1500 (correct bet?), and the BB puts me all in, the original raiser folds, and I call. I'm pretty much committed at this stage and can be fairly certain I've got outs even if he does have me beaten at this stage, unless he has KK of course but that's pretty unlikely. He had QT with the T of clubs and the board didn't pair so I was out on my ass. Is there anything I should have done differently here or was it just bad luck?

5starpool

Personally I think given the lack of information you had since you were new on the table you played the hand fine. If you knew UTG was capable of raising with a hand like QTo you would have likely been happy to reraise him in this spot, especially with the caller along the way. As you say JJ oop is a horrible hand, and you are essentially looking at them here for set value. If the flop came T high would you have committed all your chips with them?

I don't usually like playing JJ for set value and I like to think I would have reraised preflop, but in order to put in a proper reraise (to at least 2100 imo) you would have been committing 40% of your stack. I would probably have played it the same, and kicked myself afterwards too.

Tough spot Daithio. ul.

ocallagh

It is a very dangerous flop but I think I go broke on this hand every time.

First in regards the flop bet.. I like it. If he has a semi made hand with a draw you're better off getting as many chips off him as you can while he is chasing. You don't want to check it out and let him hit for free. Equally, you don't want him to get away from the hand without getting any chips off him. The downside to this is you commit yourself to the pot.. but you're likely ahead at this stage. If he just calls the 1500 I'm pushing the turn to any non-club.

When he pushes he is happy with his hand and a lot of the time I'd expect to see something like AcKx.. etc. Maybe AcAx.. or even AA without a club. The only hands you're totally fuk'd against is KK. Even if he has a flush/straight you have outs and you already have 1500 in the middle so from here on in it's a definite call.

Maybe some ultra tight players would check fold this flop... but I think you're good more times than not here.

Norwich Fan Rob

i play it the same, i prefer to see a flop oop vs a big stack with JJ.
With this flop, i think its best to try and get the chips in, as said u often see the like of AcKx here.
With your stack, the only other other is the pre flop push, which i also think would be ok. (if he had of been raising a lot, i push here, depends on his image/your image, and the feel at the time).
I dont like the pre flop raise as u will then be pot commited, so may as well push now to maximise FE.

Ollieboy

The only problem with this hand, is your lack of reads on the player, to raise in first position with Q10 os is making a play and if you had any notes on him, you would have re-raised here and taken the pot preflop, which would have been fine with the amount of chips already in play.

When the flop comes, I dont see how you could get away from it, the 1500 bet is perfect, as you need to push out any A flush draws and any other pairs etc, 9/10 times you would have got paid here. And even when you're all in you have loads of outs. Just ul.

nicnicnic

I playing this the same way as well, you cant really come back over the bb preflop, post flop bet is spot on. It is conceivable that you can fold to the all in as you've still got plenty but i don't think i can even knowing the outcome

MrPillowTalk

cold deck, I beat him in the pot expecting to see AcKx, AcAx, KK, 99 or even KJ.

how can you ever get away from it? unlikely that a made flush puts you in here and cant possibly put him on Q10 out of his most likely five holdings your beating four, looks an autocall to me.