2 Folds From Live 1/2 Cash Game - Comments

ianmc38

1st hand I've AJ sooted on the BB. Button is a young lad who's been raising quite a lot with a wide range from suited aces to Q9 to premium pocket pairs. he makes it 20 to go. I flat call on the BB. 2 other callers.

I have 750 and villain has 650.

Flop (90)

AJ8 rainbow.

Checked to the villain who bets 60. I immediately make it 150. Folded to the villain who announces all-in. I fold.


Not long after, i'm dealt 8d9d on the button(i have €650). Limped to me and I make it 15. BB makes it 35. 4 callers and I call.

Flop (150)

TJQ rainbow with one diamond

BB who is a solid reg pots it. UTG+1 pushes for 300. UTG+2 pushes for 500. Next guy folds and I fold. UTG+1 is a gamblor but UTG+2 is decent.

smurph

ianmc38 wrote:

1st hand I've AJ sooted on the BB. Button is a young lad who's been raising quite a lot with a wide range from suited aces to Q9 to premium pocket pairs. he makes it 20 to go. I flat call on the BB. 2 other callers.

I have 750 and villain has 650.

Flop (90)

AJ8 rainbow.

Checked to the villain who bets 60. I immediately make it 150. Folded to the villain who announces all-in. I fold.


Not long after, i'm dealt 8d9d on the button(i have €650). Limped to me and I make it 15. BB makes it 35. 4 callers and I call.

Flop (150)

TJQ rainbow with one diamond

BB who is a solid reg pots it. UTG+1 pushes for 300. UTG+2 pushes for 500. Next guy folds and I fold. UTG+1 is a gamblor but UTG+2 is decent.

2nd Hand is a painful but I think right decision to fold. Lower end of straights are a nightmare at the best of times, with 2 cards to come, it is alot of potential disaster ahead. The First hand, you flop top two pair, im calling this 100% every time. If i go bust fair enough, but top two pair with 2 cards to come. If he has AK AQ he is pushing

ligger

I call the 1st one everytime, which probably means I am at home by the time the 2nd one comes around if you are up against the set.

Fold the 2nd one to the nuts AK in a heartbeat.

5starpool

I am the same as Smurph here. I call the first one unless I have a really good reason not to, and I fold the second one to all the action. The first hand I expect to see AK/AQ/AJ with possibly (and painfully) 88.

The second hand I expect to see TT/JJ for one punter, KQ for another gambler type and surely someone must have AK here. If not then ah well but I think a lot of the time you are irretrieveably behind here.

Culchie

ligger wrote:

I call the 1st one everytime, which probably means I am at home by the time the 2nd one comes around if you are up against the set.

Fold the 2nd one to the nuts AK in a heartbeat.

yup.

Norwich Fan Rob

totally agree, call the 1st fold the 2nd

Hectorjelly

Hand 1 you need a lot more information than given to fold, what would he do with AK A8 J8 AQ and so on, would he really 3 bet a set all in? Against an unknown Im not folding.

Hand 2 Im not so sure about the fold as everyone else, I dont actually think you will be up against AK. The bB might have AK but I doubt it. The decent guy might have k9 which is the real worry. To be honest im not sure what I would do, Id have to be there. Its not an automatic fold though.

ianmc38

Hectorjelly wrote:

Hand 1 you need a lot more information than given to fold, what would he do with AK A8 J8 AQ and so on, would he really 3 bet a set all in? Against an unknown Im not folding.

Hand 2 Im not so sure about the fold as everyone else, I dont actually think you will be up against AK. The bB might have AK but I doubt it. The decent guy might have k9 which is the real worry. To be honest im not sure what I would do, Id have to be there. Its not an automatic fold though.

Hand 1: He knows I'm check-raising with a big hand. At the very worst he puts me on AK/AQ, though more likely he puts me on AJ/A8. He has not bluffed once in the entire session and has shown down big hands everytime he's been looked up. I have floated him a few times when I've felt he had a weak one pair holding and he has folded TP a few times when i've raised.

At the same time, I don't think he understands the concept of 3-betting. he has already 3-bet a flopped set of 5s on an A5x board when in position. I've also seen him 3-bet with straights and flushes, as well as with one pair and a large draw.

cardshark202

1st hand I call in a flash.
2nd hand I fold pretty quickly to that action.

Hectorjelly

ianmc38 wrote:

Hand 1: He knows I'm check-raising with a big hand. At the very worst he puts me on AK/AQ, though more likely he puts me on AJ/A8. He has not bluffed once in the entire session and has shown down big hands everytime he's been looked up. I have floated him a few times when I've felt he had a weak one pair holding and he has folded TP a few times when i've raised.

At the same time, I don't think he understands the concept of 3-betting. he has already 3-bet a flopped set of 5s on an A5x board when in position. I've also seen him 3-bet with straights and flushes, as well as with one pair and a large draw.

Given that then I fold, but I hate your play of the hand (and his!)

ianmc38

Hectorjelly wrote:

Given that then I fold, but I hate your play of the hand (and his!)

Do you think flat calling is better as he'll continue betting later streets with AK/AQ/A8/J8?

Or do you prefer to lead the flop?

Gholimoli

short of looking at his whole cards it would really take some reads for me to fold first hand here.
i played a similar hand online.
i raised with AQ from UTG+1 .button flat calls.flop comes AQx .i bet the pot i get minraised and i fold.i looked at my noted on him and it said "loves to min riase with a set ..." i had never seen him minreraise with TP or even two pair.
i folded and he showd QQ.
i would be more inclined to fold here as well of the raise was a minraise or something like that .

hand two: fold.

Hectorjelly

ianmc38 wrote:

Do you think flat calling is better as he'll continue betting later streets with AK/AQ/A8/J8?

Or do you prefer to lead the flop?

I think this is a place where you should mix up your play. I paticularly dont like the check raise if the villain is going to put you on your exact hand, any time you do this you cant play the hand profitably from then on. The pot isnt that big and there are no real draws so theres nothing to protect.

ianmc38

Results time:

Hand 1: I folded face up saying it's probably the worst fold I've ever made.
Villain said it's the best i'll ever make and showed AA. he must have had a rush of blood not to just flat call my check-raise.

I don't think this hand was an obvious call against a solid player. I know very few players who i'd class as solid that would 3-bet their entire stack with TPTK or TPGK. That said, I know very few solid players that would 3 bet a monster like that at all.

Hand 2:

Gamblor had KJ. Decent guy had QQ. BB had AK. An ace on the turn gave gamblor a piece of the pie.

cardshark202

ianmc38 wrote:

Button is a young lad who's been raising quite a lot with a wide range from suited aces to Q9 to premium pocket pairs. he makes it 20 to go. I flat call on the BB. 2 other callers.

ianmc38 wrote:

I don't think this hand was an obvious call against a solid player.

Your initial description made him sound LAG. Then you say he's a solid player. This changes everything. Then a fold is more possible. If your c/r telegraphs your hand to him then he should 3-bet AA here cos it is generally his best chance to stack you.

ianmc38

Solid != Rock

Solid = Good

This guy is quite good and raises with a range of hands so that people don't immediately know that he has TT+ or AJ+. he also plays quite well postflop.

cardshark202

ianmc38 wrote:

Solid != Rock

Solid = Good

This guy is quite good and raises with a range of hands so that people don't immediately know that he has TT+ or AJ+. he also plays quite well postflop.

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Main Entry: solid
Part of Speech: adjective 1
Definition: hard
Synonyms: brick wall*, close, compact, compacted, concentrated, concrete, consolidated, dense, dimensional, firm, fixed, heavy, hefty, hulk, hunk, husky, massed, material, physical, rock, rocklike, rooted, secure, set, sound, stable, strong, sturdy, substantial, thick, tight, unshakable

Main Entry: solid
Part of Speech: adjective 3
Definition: dependable
Synonyms: cogent, constant, decent, estimable, genuine, good, law-abiding, level-headed, pure, real, reliable, satisfactory, satisfying, sensible, serious, sober, sound, stalwart, steadfast, trustworthy, trusty, upright, upstanding, valid, worthy

fuzzbox

Yo Ian
Why did you c/r the flop Vs Mr. Solidy Mc Solid?

You think he stacks off with AK?
If yes, then you call his push.
If no, then you dont c/r, as all he does is fold everything that isnt a set. There are no big draws on this board.

ianmc38

cardshark202 wrote:

from http://thesaurus.com:

Main Entry: solid
Part of Speech: adjective 1
Definition: hard
Synonyms: brick wall*, close, compact, compacted, concentrated, concrete, consolidated, dense, dimensional, firm, fixed, heavy, hefty, hulk, hunk, husky, massed, material, physical, rock, rocklike, rooted, secure, set, sound, stable, strong, sturdy, substantial, thick, tight, unshakable

Main Entry: solid
Part of Speech: adjective 3
Definition: dependable
Synonyms: cogent, constant, decent, estimable, genuine, good, law-abiding, level-headed, pure, real, reliable, satisfactory, satisfying, sensible, serious, sober, sound, stalwart, steadfast, trustworthy, trusty, upright, upstanding, valid, worthy

LOL.

FB totally agree. He'll fold AK and AQ to my checkraise alot and when he calls he wont invest any more money in the pot unless his kicker hits.