UK unprovoked knife attack

Quillo

This from today's Dojang Digest. The film clip is frightening and pretty nasty to look at so those who don't like such things shouldn't watch it. Its makes for a great study in situational awareness though and is a real eye opener as to what can happen in real SD situations.

Quillo


The video is indeed shocking and disgusting. The primary attacker veers off from his group and attacks the first victim with no warning (other than being a stranger veering off from a group and making a bee line for the victim).

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006240558,00.html

For the first victim, I think better situational awareness and Nike-Do would have been his best defense. For the second victim, it looks as if he didn't want to abandon his friend, so Nike-Do wasn't much of an option for him once his friend went down. Even if he was well trained in knife defense, which he obviously wasn't, taking on three armed attackers while unarmed would have been a very tough call and he still would have ended up getting cut up.

Dragan

It's basically disturbing. From my years on the doors i have seen many acts of violence... but they were always driven by something, normally drink, arguments over a girl ( or a boy!!! ) etc.

That is just mindless , stupid and careless. It actually worries me that people could be so stupid....what can they say "we didn't mean to kill him."

You stab somebody, you mean to kill them. It's really that simple in my book.

Quite frankly they all need to be on the receiving end of some rough justice. All jail will do is turn them into bigger scumbags.

Roper

How would situational awareness have helped either of those two?

They were doing the thing that every self defence "expert" advocates, don't walk home, get a lift, stay in a public place. Random acts of violence like the one in the video are just that, random, thats what makes them so awful and senseless. Who knows the inside of a mind like the attacker's?

I think its a bit rich to watch that vid and say, "oh, you know what you should have dome there mate". The man is dead because of a sensless act by the scum of the earth, not because he didn't go to Kenpo 101.

paddyc

no amount of training will get you ready for that... sick.

Dragan

paddyc wrote:

no amount of training will get you ready for that... sick.

Exactly, even if they had of seen the guys coming, all they would have seen is three guys ambling along having a laugh.

Nothing about them screamed "scumbag", not to me at least.

As i have said repeatedly , we can all get within six inches of perfect strangers every day, and we allow others to do so.

You can't suspect everyone of wanting to attack you, down that road lies paranoia and madness in my opinion.

At the end of the day, despite any and all training we may have, or despite our best efforts to avoid bad pubs and clubs and kick around with the right people in the right places.... it's really just luck.

Could easily be you guys watchin me getting killed waiting for a cab on O'Connell street.

It's a sh*t thing but it's true.

Millionaire

i think the sick violent ,stop at nothing mindset of a scum...there nearly no way to protect against it. (ok sure there will always be the exception to the rule...but lets forget that).

There is a new series on Discovery Channel come up next week, insider live reality documentary on hardcore prisons and convicts in max security in USA.

Just seeing the trailer for the documentary a few times, and some of the scary scary violent criminals it showed. I was thinking ...really honest with myself...could you "really" defend against someone like that...and to be honest..I could feel a big "NO, I probably could not"... not thats he fitter, better trained...but the fact...this are violent thugs whose profession is violence...gang violence etc... they mindset would be a milliontimes more violent, never mind what things they may have done violence wise in the past. Scary too!

I often wonder how RBSD instructors, who also have worked violence incidents say on doors (but them on doors dont you have back up) etc..would do..if they were out for a few beer with the wife and kids..were off guard..and that happened.????

theres a big difference in someone say squaring up to you in a club, and an incident happening...as compared to this other disgusting level of violence.

Dragan

Millionaire wrote:

theres a big difference in someone say squaring up to you in a club, and an incident happening...as compared to this other disgusting level of violence.

Exactly, i can use myself as a prime example of such tbh. Doors aren't easy, but there is that back up there and it is not often that you get people in a club capable of what i consider to be a serious level of violence.

Sure, i have had people attempt to glass me...some return to the door after an incident with weapons etc but they would be very far and few between and was normally to be expected as on each occassion it was a refusal at the door due to the person being a known scumbag!!

Like you said, this show on Discovery will be showing some serious, serious thugs... it's quite an extraordinary mindset to be able to act out that level of violence.

yomchi

Shocking to say the least.
Situational awareness may have helped. But to be honest the guy died and there's no point in disecting the event to say what he should have done. Fact is he was killed. I hope they rot

Millionaire

it life when I got attacked by the 5 scum in israel last year, bottles and all.

The level of violence they came at me was beyond anything I 've experienced before. my fear alone...amost made me pass out...and thats no BS!!! luckily training kicked in...not to fight, but cover and survive.

point is my fear...as someone who was training the 3 years before for that sort of thing, was in descriable...I was alone too. (and many years good sparring before this).

If thats what happened me... there no way in a weekend or 2 months etc...can anyone tell me they could get out of that.

Talk is very cheap! and for some violent thugs...life is as cheap.

yes...will try and watch that prison documentary...i think it will put in persepctive..alot of the chat on here and debate about SD and functional and things!

Quillo

Reading the article, its the second guy that died - he was stabbed once.

The first person attacked, though hit in the head and stabbed/slashed several times, survived.

(BTW - The comments in blue in my original post were from the Digest.)

zAbbo

What was he stabbed with, looked like one of the blokes was carrying penknife/car keys.

Mindless

Boru.

Thats disgusting. Only a few days ago I read of a man here in Ireland, who was dragged out of his house and beaten to a bloody pulp. He's on life support not expected to make it. Of course I hear comments from people saying he was probably involved with drugs - according to the police he wasn't, he was entirely innocent. Just wrong place at the wrong time.

These poor guys didn't provoke their attackers. They did nothing and they were attacked. one of them is dead. The best thing we can do is sign the petition (which I hope EVERYONE DOES) to make sure these scum are punished to the maximum extent of the law. Then we learn form it.