Two folds

Hectorjelly

Live HU against tight good player. Maybe too tight hu.
I limp T9s on button, he checks. Flop is TT5 we both check. Turn 6 we both check. River 4 (no flush possible) he bets 200, I make it 800. He goes all in for about 2300. I had bluff raised him on the river a few hands ago in similar circumstances

36nl online, I limp in mp after other limpers with AKo (no real reason). The flop is k56 with 2 hearts. Chkd to me and I bet 30. The button and utg calls. Utg is tight passive, no read on button. The turn is the king of hearts, putting 3 hearts on the board. Utg bets out 70. I fold (I doubt he has a flush allthough its possible)

Any comments?

willis

1st hand fold the way it played out. The fact that you bluff raised him on the river dosent mean so much here. I think you have to bet the turn if not the flop

2nd hand im not sure,fold is probably best against passive but maybe call and see how much he likes the river but i dont play 3/6!

Lafortezza

Both look reasonable folds. I can't see Villain having many hands that you beat in hand one. Was this a tournament or where were you playing a HU cash game at these stakes?

Hectorjelly

Technically it was a tournament but we never bothered increasing the blinds

lazlo

if he a small full or if he had any knid of a straight draw in hand one dont you think he would have bet it on the turn? Its a tricky decision but based on the information there I'd be sorely tempted to call.

hand two is a fold.

DeVore

"36nl online, I limp in mp after other limpers with AKo (no real reason). "

I'm very surprised you played AK this way. I am almost certain I recall you saying before that AK was not a hand that played well multi way. I would say that this was the mistake in the hand. Folding seems fine when tight-passive comes out firing.

In the first hand I would be sorely tempted to call. Its the sort of hand I hate online (yes I realise its was a live game, I'm just digressing a little), it feels like guesswork and (dare I say the G word... gambling.
Oh No She *didn't*!!!). I want to look at the guy and see if I can get a read. Presumeably you couldnt get said read but I honestly think I might call. I'd hate myself in the morning though, LOL. I would have bet the turn too but thats neither here nor there.
I haven't a lot of experience headsup though!

DeV.

RoundTower

I think the first one is a fold, he is slowplaying a better hand or rivered a full house/straight.

Second one I am more inclined to call, not sure exactly what your read on utg means but I think check/overcall with a set on the flop is unlikely here. More likely he has AK/KQ/KJ/KT unless maybe you can rule some of these out from the preflop action.

lazlo

RoundTower wrote:

I think the first one is a fold, he is slowplaying a better hand or rivered a full house/straight.

Second one I am more inclined to call, not sure exactly what your read on utg means but I think check/overcall with a set on the flop is unlikely here. More likely he has AK/KQ/KJ/KT unless maybe you can rule some of these out from the preflop action.

is it really worthwhile slowplaying a hand like that with the blinds so small?, what exactly is he hoping hector is going to hit?-he has to pray hector has a ten in order to make any money-trip tens is the only hand hector can call call with-so he isnt going to check a house thats made on the flop as a bet would certainly be furnished with calls, if he makes a draw or the house on the turn its a wise move to bet as hector has room to take control of the hand with a bluff if he checks the draw, if he bets it and is raised he may still decide pot odds dependant to call for a river and if he cracks the house he HAS to bet for the exact same reason that the flop warrants a bet, hector cannot catch a hand that he'll play for raises unless he has a ten, so why not bet?

He may be a tight player but I really don't think he'd have playd the hand out this way-in addition I pretty dure that if he had 55, 66 or 44 that he may have stuck in a raise preflop and made a stab at the pot regardless of whatever flop fell, this is heads-up after all. IMO you only have to worry about a str8(or MAYBE three Tens outkicking you, or tens full, the only house that may have played out in this fashion IMO) and if he cracked it then he has played it srangely.

This is certainly one Id want to call.

Arsie

Why didn'nt you raise the first hand preflop? It's a good hand but you don't really mind taking it down preflop. Don't wait 'til the river to bet.

ianmc38

I prefer raising both hands preflop.

Hand 1 I bet the flop and bet the turn. As it played out, I think it's a definite fold.

Hand 2 I might call here and see what the river brings. UTG could easily have KQ here though if he's TAG, he's probably not limping KQ from UTG

Hectorjelly

I thought the 1st one was much easier - no hand reading is required really. THere is no hand in which he is 3betting the river for value that is behind me. I thought he might have a straight. I folded after a while, he had T5 for a flopped full. We both played it strangely but I try and play every hand oddly heads up - having standard lines hu is awfull. Raising it preflop is also a matter of style, I like to keep the pots small, especially against someone who is going to play back against me if im obv trying to run over them.

Hand 2, he could well have KQ - but thats about the only hand I beat. I think he has a made house here most of the time. I dont know why he didnt raise the flop. He may of had AK as well. I raise here (preflop) nearly all the time, but I occasionaly do strange things; especially on tables with players that I play against a alot.

DeVore

Ok... I can understand the "do strange things" bit. I do too, its good for your game imho. Not to mention its one of the fundamentals of The Theory Of Poker (get your opponents making mistakes against your true holding).

DeV.

fuzzbox

HJ, I usually call the 2nd one at the very least, often Kx takes this line in an unraised pot.

I prolly call in hand 2 also, but I cant fault a fold.