American Air Force murders woman and child in Iraq

Snickers Man

A woman and child have been killed in an air strike by American F-15 jets which obliterated a house in a rural area of Iraq. Film of the attack, proudly displayed by US military publicists in Baghdad, showed the deliberate nature of the attack in which first one 500lb (quarter ton) bomb was dropped on a house and following a brief survey of the damage, a second identical bomb was dropped to maximise the chances of killing all occupants.

American TV has shown copious footage of military and political leaders rejoicing at the news. One network even had an audience grill a Catholic priest whose opinion was that people should 'not gloat' at the death of one of the victims. Applause broke out as other members of the audience clearly exulted at the news.

Oh yeah. Somebody called Zarqawi was killed in the strike as well. What's a little collateral damage when 'bad guys' have to get taken out?

aphex™

Nobody is talking about the dead children because Zarqawi would have been involved in the deaths of countless women and children in the next week alone had he lived.

Snickers Man

aphex&#8482 wrote:

Nobody is talking about the dead children because Zarqawi would have been involved in the deaths of countless women and children in the next week alone had he lived.

Yes but the point is, as long as he got some bad guys, it doesn't matter.

Crea

What gets me is that the US have appointed themselves Judge, Jury and Executioner to this guy. Why not capture and put him on trial the same way they have treated Sadam Hussein?
It appears that there is no such thing as the free press these days so we don't hear half of the real cost of innocent lives that this war has taken.
And they wonder why there is so much bad feeling against the US in the Middle East.

monument

aphex&#8482 wrote:

Nobody is talking about the dead children because Zarqawi would have been involved in the deaths of countless women and children in the next week alone had he lived.

In that case, we shouldn’t be talking about empty CIA aeroplanes stopping at Shannon etc – ah sure who cares how many innocent people are pick up as long as we bag one or two of them.

And those fellows in London the other week, sure, they looked like terrorists. And sure the police had a nice training mission/day out, and Sky News had something to (over) talk about for a while.

<is there any need for the ‘roll eyes’ image here?>

Edit: I think 'them' looks better in italic - again, do I need...

FlutterinBantam

monument wrote:

In that case, we shouldn’t be talking about empty CIA aeroplanes stopping at Shannon etc – ah sure who cares how many innocent people are pick up as long as we bag one or two of them.

And those fellows in London the other week, sure, they looked like terrorists. And sure the police had a nice training mission/day out, and Sky News had something to (over) talk about for a while.

<is there any need for the ‘roll eyes’ image here?>

Edit: I think 'them' looks better in italic - again, do I need...

Good man Good man.... well said..... Spoken from a distance..... Rightio then boss... lets treat those mad mullahs and religious fanatics with kid gloves.... people who incult the young with stupid ideas...who brainwash dumbasses to blow themselves up and innocent people with them.... yeah right... give them every chance to escape justice.... shure they are not likely to pull the plunger in cinteral Ballina in the near future ... no no way will they touch Ballina....not a chance... So ok .. lets dig the auld ceanns in the sand and pretend that these scum deserve to be treated better than they treat others.... A ll together now....... Whooooooo ah...

Somebody burn a Bush effigy for fupp sake......

monument

It probably is a bad idea to respond to that, so I’ll just say I won’t be living in Ballina for too long, besides even if I was living in a high-profile city like London, New York etc you’d probably say something like ‘you don’t know what it’s like until you’re a victim’.

And if I was a victim with the same views, you’d probably bang on about going soft in the head or something like that.

FlutterinBantam wrote:

give them every chance to escape justice....

Judge, jury, and executioner, and while we’re at it kill the innocent people who get it the way. Where would you stop? Shooting hostages at a bank just to get the ‘bad guys’?

Or maybe this is the justice you talk of...

So far only 10 of the roughly 460 detainees in the camp have been charged with anything, although another two dozen are expected to face charges shortly and 110 more will be released in the coming weeks. That leaves nearly 300 prisoners who are neither accused of doing anything wrong, nor facing any prospect of release from the camp.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/2006/05/19/closing_gitmo.html

FlutterinBantam

What I would basically say is that if two teams take the field.

one team is bound by a set of rules about what its members can do and not do....

the other team has no rules and do whatever it likes .....

there will only be one outcome in that situation......


Unless one of the teams changes the rules.......


Go figure.....

monument

So, on "the field" there's now no justice as us in "the west" know it?

Puteq

What sucks about this is that in fact it probably was the best of a bad situation to kill an innocent woman and child to get someone who would in the words on one of the other posters ‘been involved in the deaths of countless women and children in the next week alone had he lived’ . Where things get sticky is where you draw the line in this reasoning. I am not proposing where, I don’t think anyone can say really, but the fact is that sometimes you have to do bad things to get good results (or results that are less bad than if you did nothing…)

Oh, I should clarify having said that – I think Bush is an idiot who went into a war with no idea what he was doing, and no plan for what would happen after the war, but that’s maybe wandering a bit off the OPs original topic.

FlutterinBantam

monument wrote:

So, on "the field" there's now no justice as us in "the west" know it?

There is a 360 degree war being fought here...the point I try to make is that this war will not be won by conventional methods.We all tend to pontificate from a distance when our outcome and lifestyle is not affected by events whether directly or indirectly.Quite a few jackasses from the English midlands went over to Af to fight for the cause..... they got a rude awakening when a few RPGs came winging there way
The fun was suddenly over