Fixed Camera - Naas Road

Jood

Does anybody know if there's a fixed camera on the Naas Road before the Red Cow, got a lovely letter from the Gardai yesterday for two points and a fine. I was caught doing 80km in a 60km zone. It was my first time on this road and I obviously wasnt paying attention cos I thought it was an 80km road. But anyway I was caught fair and square and will be paying more attention in future. :rolleyes:

Saruman

dont think so.. probably gatso van.. always around there!

Jood

I wasnt really looking you see any they can be seaky tho, have to drive that road next month I'll have to be more careful.

Guy:Incognito

Before the red cow in which direction?
The only place I know they do be is when your coming away from clondalkin towards town , after the red cow roundabout theres a company that makes trucks (harris?) the tend to be just tucked in at the gate there, just before woodies.

Jood

Before the Red Cow when coming up from the South, not too sure tho I can only go by the time that I was snapped and I think thats where I wouldve been about then.

yellow012

Jood wrote:

Before the Red Cow when coming up from the South, not too sure tho I can only go by the time that I was snapped and I think thats where I wouldve been about then.

Keep an eye out for a white transit van, that's been parked on the side of the road anywhere between Rathcoole and the Red Cow. The rear windows are blacked out except for a clear square where you can see a camera pointing out. I've passed it 3 or 4 times in the last month, mainly parked near the weigh station on the north bound side between Rathcoole and Kingswood interchange. It's a 60kph limit there which very few people observer so it must be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Jood

yellow012 wrote:

Keep an eye out for a white transit van, that's been parked on the side of the road anywhere between Rathcoole and the Red Cow. The rear windows are blacked out except for a clear square where you can see a camera pointing out. I've passed it 3 or 4 times in the last month, mainly parked near the weigh station on the north bound side between Rathcoole and Kingswood interchange. It's a 60kph limit there which very few people observer so it must be like shooting fish in a barrel.

There was quiet a lot of traffic on the road and I was keeping up with it so Id say we were all caught at the same time, unless it was just me

Mr Magnolia

yellow012 wrote:

Keep an eye out for a white transit van, that's been parked on the side of the road anywhere between Rathcoole and the Red Cow. The rear windows are blacked out except for a clear square where you can see a camera pointing out. I've passed it 3 or 4 times in the last month, mainly parked near the weigh station on the north bound side between Rathcoole and Kingswood interchange. It's a 60kph limit there which very few people observer so it must be like shooting fish in a barrel.

fuckers, I've never seen them. I wouldn't mind if they were parked outside a school at 3O'clock....

yellow012

Jood wrote:

There was quiet a lot of traffic on the road and I was keeping up with it so Id say we were all caught at the same time, unless it was just me

Yeah its a bummer alright, if you did stick to the 60kph limit there you would be more likely to cause and accident than prevent one.

Jood

Ya its bad now alright but sure thats the way it goes two points dont really affect me anyway more bothered about the fine could do without that at the minute.

Kinetic^

The po-po are there nearly everyday!!!!!!!

HelterSkelter

Jood wrote:

Does anybody know if there's a fixed camera on the Naas Road before the Red Cow, got a lovely letter from the Gardai yesterday for two points and a fine. I was caught doing 80km in a 60km zone. It was my first time on this road and I obviously wasnt paying attention cos I thought it was an 80km road. But anyway I was caught fair and square and will be paying more attention in future. :rolleyes:

Grrrr, 60km zone, makes me laugh. Was driving on the N81 (Blessington Road) the other day and noticed it's 100kmh. How can this road be 100 and the Naas road is only 60?????

Stark

yellow012 wrote:

Yeah its a bummer alright, if you did stick to the 60kph limit there you would be more likely to cause and accident than prevent one.

Is it legal for them to enforce the speed limit there? Since it's supposed to be temporarily put there due to road works, it might not have gone through the process needed to approve a 60kph speed limit.

Jood

Another question??, Im still on a provisional, my Dad fully licensed was in the car with me that day and most days. This is the first speeding offence ( or any ) that I've received, my question is how many points can you have on a provisional before you get disqualified???

Nuttzz

Jood wrote:

Another question??, Im still on a provisional, my Dad fully licensed was in the car with me that day and most days. This is the first speeding offence ( or any ) that I've received, my question is how many points can you have on a provisional before you get disqualified???

12 same as a full licence, and they will transfer to your full one to AFAIR.

its a joke really, 60km limit on a 3 lane road while 100's of country boreens have 80km limits

stevejazzx

Jood wrote:

Another question??, Im still on a provisional, my Dad fully licensed was in the car with me that day and most days. This is the first speeding offence ( or any ) that I've received, my question is how many points can you have on a provisional before you get disqualified???

I think 12.
The naas rd is usually fine, what time did you get caught at?
The gardai (speed camera vans) are very rarely are about at rush hours time. so during the day between 10.30 - 3.00, it is probably the most pointless shooting fish in a barrell approach on haphazard traffic regualtion theres ever been, I've driven that road for the last year and a half, four, five times per week and traffic is always above the limit, always and at least 80 percent of the traffic at that. The red cow part leading to newlands is an 80kmp zone by the way, after newlands it 100kmp for a certain indeterminable amount to somewhere vaugley around citywest, because if there are turn offs or slips an instant 60 zone applies?.. .the road doesn't change nut the limit goes immediately from 100 to 60?....Gay Byrne 'll sort it out soon 'nuff though:eek:

Jood

It was 20 to 2 on a Saturday afternoon didnt even see them they must have been well hidden, but at the same time I thought I was in the right so I wasnt looking out.

Stark

stevejazzx wrote:

.the road doesn't change nut the limit goes immediately from 100 to 60?....Gay Byrne 'll sort it out soon 'nuff though:eek:

By putting the whole road to 60

Nuttzz wrote:

its a joke really, 60km limit on a 3 lane road while 100's of country boreens have 80km limits

I've seen boreens with 100kph limits. It's made me extremely cynical of the whole speed limit system.

stevejazzx

Stark wrote:

By putting the whole road to 60



I've seen boreens with 100kph limits. It's made me extremely cynical of the whole speed limit system.

The best ever is a turn off from Sallins(kildare) village that brings you out to the naas rd. around Johnstown, the slip road is an 80 zone, the road is not only full of potholes etc, but cannot pass 2 cars for about 50 percent of it, so you have a 2 way road unable of passing 2 cars with a 80 limit, serioulsy I don't think I've ever seen anyone go above about 40km on this road....

stevejazzx

Jood wrote:

It was 20 to 2 on a Saturday afternoon didnt even see them they must have been well hidden, but at the same time I thought I was in the right so I wasnt looking out.

Yep, makes sense, the Gardai add you to their sats. So at the end of the eyar when the road authority are standing scrathing theirs heads wondering why 400 people died on the roads, the guards can say 'ahhh but you can't blame us we caught a record amount of people speeding this year'.

WizZard

I was caught there too a while back. I was doing 80 aswell
60km limit :eek: I mean, FFS.

Of course, I drove from Dublin to the west and back this weekend and didn't spot a single Garda out and about being "visible" so as to slow people down...

TKK

I drove over 650 miles on the bank holiday weekend and saw 1 cop speedtrapping. Where was he? On the motorway just outside Kinnegad :rolleyes: FFS go somewhere that it's actually dangerous to be speeding.

The tax man

Jood wrote:

Does anybody know if there's a fixed camera on the Naas Road before the Red Cow, got a lovely letter from the Gardai yesterday for two points and a fine. I was caught doing 80km in a 60km zone. It was my first time on this road and I obviously wasnt paying attention cos I thought it was an 80km road. But anyway I was caught fair and square and will be paying more attention in future. :rolleyes:

I got caught doing the same last thursday.I was done between the mad cow and the long mile road junction. I was the only car on the road(9.20pm) and before I knew it a guard jumped out from behind a support for a big sign across the road.
Just before they pulled me I was actually wondering what the limit was,didn't see any signs, but I've found out the hard way.Same as the OP done for 80km in a 60km.
Fine arrived in the post this morning.:mad:

Jood

The tax man wrote:

I got caught doing the same last thursday.I was done between the mad cow and the long mile road junction. I was the only car on the road and before I knew it a guard jumped out from behind a support for a big sign across the road.
Just before they pulled me I was actually wondering what the limit was but I've found out the hard way.Same as the OP done for 80km in a 60km.
Fine arrived in the post this morning.:mad:

At least they pulled you and told you, I've really no idea where I was caught, I can only guess going by the time on the letter, I dont know the roads around there, Im from Limerick I was only going up for the day.

The tax man

A mate of mine was snapped by one of those vans a while back and when the fine came in the post the photo on the page was a tiny square and all you could see was the reg plate.You didn't see his car or what road he was on.Did you get a picture with yours?? If so what was it like??

_Kaiser_

Any time I've seen the boys and girls in blue out doing anything regarding traffic, they're:

- Camped out in cynical, purely revenue oriented spots catching people for being over a limit that's way too low for the quality of road they're on.

- Making the situation worse by setting up silly checkpoints and causing traffic mayhem just to check tax and insurance. Can't they do like in the UK and check these things on a database now? Ads on the telly seem to suggest that over there the system automatically issues fines/points if it's expired and not renewed.

- Out and about for their annual "Operation Freeflow" exercise. There was a day this year when Blanch was at a standstill around the shopping centre/Snugborough Road... I've rarely seen it as bad! Where was the cop? Right where she'd been for the entire 2/3 weeks.. directly outside Blanch Garda station at a junction that works quite well without their interference thank you!

Traffic enforcement in this country is all geared towards making easy money, bringing up stats and making the Gardai (and not forgetting the Minister of Justice) look good come election time.

Of course, as most people are sheep and vote along party lines cause their parents/grandparents etc voted for them, nothing ever changes and the game continues.

Sometimes I really hate this country...

Jood

The tax man wrote:

A mate of mine was snapped by one of those vans a while back and when the fine came in the post the photo on the page was a tiny square and all you could see was the reg plate.You didn't see his car or what road he was on.Did you get a picture with yours?? If so what was it like??

Mine was the very same, a grainy black and white square fairly small at the top right hand corner, had to read it two or three times before I even saw the picture. :rolleyes:

_Kaiser_

Jood wrote:

Mine was the very same, a grainy black and white square fairly small at the top right hand corner, had to read it two or three times before I even saw the picture. :rolleyes:

Would they not be required to provide a bit more "evidence" than that? Surely that could be challenged?

Jood

Kaiser2000 wrote:

Would they not be required to provide a bit more "evidence" than that? Surely that could be challenged?

I dont think so I'm assuming that thats the standard letter everyone gets, you can see my license plate, it tells you the road you were on and the exact time that you got snapped, caught by the goolies if you ask me, I'll just face the music.

HelterSkelter

Good post Kaiser2000, agree with you 100%

WizZard

The tax man wrote:

I got caught doing the same last thursday.I was done between the mad cow and the long mile road junction.... I was actually wondering what the limit was,didn't see any signs, but I've found out the hard way

Ditto to that...

I didn't realise it was a 60km and saw no signs to say that it was...
My fine arrived 3 weeks later and came as a shock to me :mad:

_Kaiser_

WizZard wrote:

Ditto to that...

I didn't realise it was a 60km and saw no signs to say that it was...
My fine arrived 3 weeks later and came as a shock to me :mad:

If it wasn't the case that the system is designed to punish you for even appealing (by threatening you with even more points), this sort of thing could be challenged in court. :mad:

Fair enough if you are a daily commuter in the area you will know what the limits are and if you get caught doing significantly over the limit (4/5kph does not count in my book as every speedometer is different and many are still in MPH) then you deserve it, but cases where - as one of the posters above is - you're not even from Dublin and where it's not clearly signposted, should be dimissed until such times that proper signage IS put in place.

TheWaterboy

I recently got caught after newlands cross which is 80km and I was doing 90Km...half asleep one saturday morning at 9 o clock and they got me...Never seen the van either - just got it in the post...Anyway Im up to 6 points now...All from 60Km zones...I travel regularly on the Nass dualer and try to do 60Km through the roadworks but people fly boy me and im like an old lady tipping along..Its pot luck to get caught...I can go as fast as I want on the backroads at home and never see a guard

Jood

Just out of curiosity has your insurance changed much with the 6 points??

Turner

Try parking your car and standing out on the naas road and see how fast traffic goes past. Think of the workers who are building a new road for you.

Also try and pull out of the statiol on the cork bound side. People round the bend and flare up behind you at 80-100km/hr flashing and beeping.

Absolutely lethal.

The morons who speed on that road will eventually get caught. 60-70km/hr is fast enough in my opinion.


Just remember you are made up of water and soft cells sitting inside your car (a metal object)...

Anybody who has been to the scene of a fatal traffic accident will know airbags and strengthened crumple zones dont matter a shít in an accident at speed.

WizZard

Chief--- wrote:

Try parking your car and standing out on the naas road and see how fast traffic goes past. Think of the workers who are building a new road for you.

Also try and pull out of the statiol on the cork bound side. People round the bend and flare up behind you at 80-100km/hr flashing and beeping.

Absolutely lethal.

The morons who speed on that road will eventually get caught. 60-70km/hr is fast enough in my opinion.


Just remember you are made up of water and soft cells sitting inside your car (a metal object)...

Anybody who has been to the scene of a fatal traffic accident will know airbags and strengthened crumple zones dont matter a shít in an accident at speed.

That is true. Accidents are horrible.
But I think the point that we (at least me) are trying to make is that it seems that the signposting in Ireland is shoddy at best (compared to our European/UK neighbours) and since the speed traps seem to be placed where they will get a maximum number of wrongdoers (speeding is wrong, I admit this), rather than being placed for maximum effect/visibility we feel cheated when we get these sort of things in the post. it's not that I'm ignorant of the laws regarding speeding, just I'd like to know what limit I'm supposed to be driving at...

I mean, if every time I drove I saw a Garda somewhere checking speed it would drive the point home not to speed, as opposed to this tripe of never seeing a Garda car/van/person for days on end, even on one of the busiest weekends of the year, which drives home the point that you are "unlucky to get caught" vs "lucky not to get caught"

All these "Speeding is dangerous" ads are having an effect, but the majority of people care more about how points/fine will affect their insurance/wallet, rather than how an accident could affect another persons life (sad but true).

It's not rocket science...

1275gt

i was driving to leixlip on monday from city centre. gatso parked in just after liffey valley, very visible... fair enough. less than half a mile just up over the crest, two bike cops with speed guns.. then, less than a mile down the SAME stretch of road, around 8 gardai with 5-10 cars pulled and 3 more **&@% speed cameras :mad: :mad:

im all for slowing people down and making our roads safer, but what a massive waste of taxpayers resources. i wonder how many people have died along that stretch of road in the past couple of years

Stark

It's the shooting fish in a barrel that's getting to people. Fair enough you see the ads where a guy comes speeding round a bend and into the path of an obstacle or another vehicle and yes, that's very valid and the importance of safe speed cannot be stressed enough. It's the setting up speed traps on Autobahn-quality roads with rediculously low and poorly signed speed limits for the sake of gathering fines/stats that people rightfully have gripes about. Those resources should be placed where speeding is an actually safety issue.

opus

I'm never sure about the Naas Rd, most times I drive to Dublin the people I passed on the motorway end up passing me again going along there cause I always slow down to something near the speed limit which pretty much everyone else ignores it seems.

60km does seem somewhat low for a three lane road imho.

As a matter of interest, after spending the long w/end in the UK, how come dual carriage ways get the same 70mph speed limit as motorways there? Are they just better designed?

Stark

Some Irish dual carriageways are soon to get a 75mph(120kph) speed limit.

Thread on it here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054937219

TheWaterboy

Jood wrote:

Just out of curiosity has your insurance changed much with the 6 points??

Touch Wood no it hasnt changed at all. Just got it renewed and was never asked about points. However if i shopped around for a different quote id say i could be in trouble.

opus

Stark wrote:

Some Irish dual carriageways are soon to get a 75mph(120kph) speed limit.

Thread on it here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054937219

Cheers, never spotted that! Sounds like a good idea for sure.

Victor

TheWaterboy wrote:

...half asleep one saturday morning at 9 o clock and they got me

Ah, impaired driving aswell. :rolleyes:

_Kaiser_

TheWaterboy wrote:

Touch Wood no it hasnt changed at all. Just got it renewed and was never asked about points. However if i shopped around for a different quote id say i could be in trouble.

You coud be in trouble as it is as your policy probably says that you are required to inform them of anything that may affect the coverage - including penalty points. Worst case scenario, you're driving around uninsured. I'd probably own up.