Opinions wanted - Audi TT 180 BHP Quattro

KeRbDoG

I'm thinking of getting an Audi TT. Currently I have a 98 VW Passat. Want to give the Passat to my better half so looking for something else with a bit of power. Don't want to go down the Jap car road so wanna stay with European cars. Thinking of spending between 15-25k.
The only car to catch my eye is the TT.

Anyone have one, would you buy one? Why/why not

Anan1

A Golf V6 4Motion will give you more power, more space, more refinement and a better view out. On the other hand, the TT wears a prettier frock. Which is more important to you?

$Leon$

i've always found them to have a very hard ride.
you seem to always have to fight them into gear.
back seat only suitable for someone under 5ft.

on the plus side they look good and go fast.

would consider the golf 4motion (rare enough i'd say)
how bout 130bhp TDi golf/ a3 or the same 1.8redT 180bhp quatro in the a3/a4?

KeRbDoG

I'm not a Golf fan, don't like th cut of their jib

Anan1

kerbdog wrote:

I'm not a Golf fan, don't like th cut of their jib

If how the car looks is more important to you than anything else, then buy a TT. Be aware, however, that everyone will assume you're an IT nerd even if you're not.;)

Gatster

Nothing but trouble IMO. People here slag off Alfas for reliability issues, but I personally know two people who've had 'em and couldn't wait to get rid, it put me right off even considering one...

Ayashii

I drive a 180 TT coupe and yes am an IT nerd...

Love the car and finding it hard to find anything else to replace it with. Engines are bulletproof as its the tried and tested 1.8T VAG engine thats been around a while.

Only once had a problem with it and that was to do with coilpack which is common with all VAG cars even the new GTI. Simple fix even outside warranty as its a known prob.

Give me a shout if u want more info or want a spin.

SouperComputer

Love the car and finding it hard to find anything else to replace it with. Engines are bulletproof as its the tried and tested 1.8T VAG engine thats been around a while.

That would be one of the resons that they are not bulletrpoof. The 1.8 is one of VAG's least reliable motors.

From "honest John"

What's Good
Totally individual shape. No other car looks remotely like it and you either love them or hate them. 13' 3" long by 6' 1" wide and 1,475kg. All original UK spec cars have Haldex clutched four wheel drive with either 180 bhp or 225 bhp, which is a lot from 1.8 litres. RHD Roadsters arrived early 2000, but lots of grey imports before then. Three year warranty. 225s are very sure footed and great fun to drive on a severely twisting road. You can buy a used LHD two wheel drive German import TT 180 coupe for £8,000 from an import specialist. Four star NCP crash safety rating awarded January 2003. Cut price front drive 150bhp TT roadster available from Summer 2003 from £21,450. 250PS 3.2 litre chai- cam VR6 top engine from Autumn 2003. Offers 155mph and 0-60 in 6 seconds. Has a paddle shift electric twin clutch six-ratio 'Direct Shift Gearbox', first of its kind. Does 29mpg combined. UK Price £29,155. 3.2 DSG roadster from November 2003, priced £31,405 OTR. From July 2004, front-drive TT Coupé available to order priced at £20,725 OTR for the 5-speed manual, or £22,125 OTR for the 6-speed Tiptronic automatic. Has 180PS and 235Nm torque, does 0-60mph in 7.5 secs (auto 8.1), max speed 142mph (auto 140mph), combined mpg 34.8 (auto 31.0). 16-inch seven spoke alloy wheels, leather and Alcantara upholstered sports seats, electronic climate control, a leather-upholstered sports steering wheel (with tiptronic shift controls for automatic models) and a Driver’s Information System. Electronic Stability Programme (ESP) and Electronic Differential Lock (EDL) traction control ensure good traction.
240PS 1.8 turbo TT Sport quattro coupe announced Feb 2005 with first UK deliveries May 2005 priced £29,335. No back seat or spare wheel to reduce weight and bring 0-62 time down to 5.9 seconds. Top speed 155mph. Exclusive 15 spoke wheels. Sportiest TT of all to drive.

From August 2005, 4 cylinder Coupé and Roadster benefit from a power upgrade. Power for TT Coupé and TT Coupé quattro models rises from
180PS to 190PS. Power for TT Roadster 150PS rises to 163PS. Power for TT Roadster quattro 180PS rises to 190PS. Production of TT Coupé and Roadster 225PS models ends and 240PS TT Coupé quattro Sport becomes four-cylinder TT range flagship. TT Coupé and Roadster 3.2 V6 quattro models continue as before.

Road test 3.2DSG at www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/index.htm?id=91

For more info link to Sportscar Guides:- www.sportscarguides.com

More at www.audi.co.uk


What's Bad
A spate of high-speed autobahn accidents led to a German recall for suspension modifications to be made, ESP system and a rear spoiler to be fitted. Some doubt as to whether these accidents were caused by the car, by lack of skill or by a rear suspension joint seizing up. A new hood for the Roadster costs £5,000. Timing belt, tensioner and waterpump need replacing at 60k miles, not the 80k Audi specifies. This is a difficult £500 job because access is poor. 1.8 20v engines are snapping their timing belts at 65k - 80k miles, often after the belt-driven waterpump seizes, and the extensive damage this causes is sometimes not repairable. Car will usually need a replacement engine. 1.8 20Vs suffering problems with air mass sensors which cost around £200 to replace. All 1.8 20V turbos built from around August 2001 to October 2002 can suffer from failure of one or more of the four ignition coils, which lead to a dispute butween VAG and a supplier and a severe shortage of coils from November 2002 to January 2003. No stars for pedestrian safety in NCAP tests. Dashpods seem to fail rgularly on older cars and cost £690 - £900 to replace. Audi will pay up for UK sourced cars up to 5 years old and independent import sup to two and a half years old. Poor only 75% breakdown free in 2003 Which survey (due to the coils problem). Audi had average warranty repair costs in 2003 Warranty Direct Reliability index (index 101.16 v/s lowest 31.93). Link:- www.reliabilityindex.co.uk Audi TT the 2nd least reliable car in 2005 Warranty Direct Reliability Survey with 59 repair claims per 100 cars. Link:- www.reliabilityindex.co.uk, largely due to the problem with ignition coils. Rated Poor for breakdowns, problems and faults in 2003 Which survey but probably almost all as a result of the coils problem. Mere 79% of cars up to 2 years old breakdown-free over previous 12 months in 2004 Which? survey, again most likely to be due to the coils problem.

What to Watch Out For
The car's history. Many are grey imports and it's important to know what you are paying for (such as whether fwd or four wheel drive) and pay accordingly. Some doubts as to longevity of the 225 bhp engine. Anything left on the rear parcel shelf could shatter the glass rear window of the Roadster when the hood is electrically lowered. It can't be replaced and means a new hood at £5k. Check the instruments carefully as a new dashpod is £900. Roof of TT Roadster has a wear problem where it folds, so never, ever buy a TT Roadster with the roof down. Always raise it and carefully inspect it. Problem of plastic fuel tanks splitting at the seams so check for fuel smells in boot.
Recalls
All 2,430 official UK imports recalled to Germany for extensive modifications to be made, including the fitting of ESP stability and traction control and a rear spoiler. Work took several weeks. Owners were supplied with an A4 courtesy car. Source Auto Express 16/2/2000. Official recall notice issued 17/4/2000. Official recall 25/9/2001: On cars built up to March 2000 the bottom rear hub carrier ball joint can corrode and seize, leading to the lower suspension arms snapping at the hub ends. Owners to call Audi Customer Services on 0800 699 888. 16-10-02: On cars with 3 spoke steering wheels airbags may not work. Airbag to be replaced, but affects only 79 of 4,400 cars.

Personally with 15-25K or so, I would be looking at an older M3. It seems like a lot of money to pay for a golf with one of VAG's most troublesome powerplants.

KeRbDoG

Yes I work in IT, but whats this about being an IT nerd? IT=TT? heh

Anywho, thanks for the input lads. Food for thought, will tell yea how I get on.

cargrouch

honest John wrote:

Short novel of faults

Cheeky Fecking Alfa's. Always breaking down. What...we're talking 'bout Audi? But sure they're German, they're fierce reliable

OP - I'd say BMW given your non-jap preference and the list of problems above. There were loads of TTs in Cork when they first came came out but I rarely see any these days.

Celica, Nissan Silvia/200sx or Altezza would be things I would look at over that price range.

Slinky>

kerbdog wrote:

I'm thinking of getting an Audi TT. Currently I have a 98 VW Passat. Want to give the Passat to my better half so looking for something else with a bit of power. Don't want to go down the Jap car road so wanna stay with European cars. Thinking of spending between 15-25k.
The only car to catch my eye is the TT.

Anyone have one, would you buy one? Why/why not

If your genuinely looking for something with a bit of power I think you will be disappionted with 180bhp particularly in a 4WD not too light coupe. If it had to be European I would get an older M3

egan007

If you are a girl - then yes buy it nice car for a girl

Ice_Box

A golf is a farmers car. Get a TT.

KeRbDoG

egan007 wrote:

If you are a girl - then yes buy it nice car for a girl

*handbags*

Gatster

Further reading, most of it bad. Also, there's a geezer I work with who is convinced he's David Beckham, and he's got a roadster. The word 'Tart' springs to mind...

Parkers Owners Reviews

ando

ah forget the TT, its a girls car.. like the Mini

Big Balls

Ayashii wrote:

Only once had a problem with it and that was to do with coilpack which is common with all VAG cars even the new GTI.

Last GTI of particular years yes, new GTI it's not.

Funxy

I used to have a tt and loved it at the time. Beautiful interior, always comfortable and certainly had alot of go in it! If its the only car that catches your eye then go for it but if any others do test drive them compared to that. I test drove most of the cars around the price range at the time and there was no question for me which one i wanted to be sitting in everyday

egan007

kerbdog wrote:

*handbags*

Well you are looking for opinions
If you have a thread like this for a car like this you are obviously curious what people will think when you drive by in it.

I'm not trying to be rude - just an honest opinion - that's what i would think..:)

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Anan1 wrote:

A Golf V6 4Motion will give you more power, more space, more refinement and a better view out. On the other hand, the TT wears a prettier frock. Which is more important to you?

both cars are hairdressers cars...

had the new GTi, had to sell it again, very disappointed with it. lacking in everything, besides every hairdresser and gay from here to Timbuktu drives them.

try something with a bit of power and class like a Subaru or Mitsubishi.
or push the boat out with a skyline... now your talking performance, grip and raw power.

Big Balls

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

had the new GTi, had to sell it again, very disappointed with it. lacking in everything

Yeh you did.

Someone who is into the likes of Skylines wouldn't have even thrown an eye on something like a GTI as it wouldn't interest them. Plus, your VAST knowledge of cars would have stopped you wasting so much money!!!

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Big Balls wrote:

Yeh you did.

Someone who is into the likes of Skylines wouldn't have even thrown an eye on something like a GTI as it wouldn't interest them. Plus, your VAST knowledge of cars would have stopped you wasting so much money!!!

listen the OP asked our opinion, so if you want give it to him.

But your so right... and next time i wont be wasting my money on a GTi.

Ice_Box

"try something with a bit of power and class like a Subaru or Mitsubishi."

Power = yes. class = LOL.

krankykitty

I'm also an IT nerd and drive a 180bhp quattro TT. I love mine, I think it looks great and it's fairly nippy. However, it IS a girly car

There's enough space to fit a small monkey in the back which is wonderful if you don't like giving out lifts but obviously if you need to transport a rake of kids it's useless.
Gearbox is clunky all right. Only problems I've had so far is with the electrics and window regulator which I got sorted out by going to an independent guy. Word of warning, stay away from the main dealers if you do buy one. I sent mine in to get the window regulator changed (pretty standard for VW's and Audis) and ended up being completely ripped off and the car came out with stuff wrong with the electrics which were fine before I sent it in.

I might be biased though, I've been in love with the car for years, and bought one without ever having sat in or driven one before

Big Balls

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

listen the OP asked our opinion, so if you want give it to him.

But your so right... and next time i wont be wasting my money on a GTi.

So what help does waffling on about Subarus give to the OP who is asking about TTs?

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

kerbdog wrote:

I'm thinking of getting an Audi TT. Currently I have a 98 VW Passat. Want to give the Passat to my better half so looking for something else with a bit of power. Don't want to go down the Jap car road so wanna stay with European cars. Thinking of spending between 15-25k.
The only car to catch my eye is the TT.

Anyone have one, would you buy one? Why/why not

if i was you i would go down the road with a jap... they don't break down and they leave any hairdressers (golf or tt) behind...
beside do ya really want drive down the road looking like a gay hairdresser.
i thought not, go jap

Big Balls

OP - you're clearly interested in the TT.

Unless you are homophobic (not pointing fingers at anyone in particular) then I wouldn't worry about the hairdresser comments. A Hyundai Coupe is a hairdressers car fair enough but I don't see many hairdressers buying TTs or Golf GTIs.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Big Balls wrote:

OP - you're clearly interested in the TT.

Unless you are homophobic (not pointing fingers at anyone in particular) then I wouldn't worry about the hairdresser comments. A Hyundai Coupe is a hairdressers car fair enough but I don't see many hairdressers buying TTs or Golf GTIs.

from a GTi driver i bet.

jayok

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

from a GTi driver i bet.

You're talking to a brick wall here \m/_(>_<)_\m/. Big Balls is a GTI driver and no matter what the facts are the GTI (in Big Balls view) is simply the best car in the world and nothing else comes close. Had him on a Civic Type-R thread and claimed the GTI was quicker (it's not) and when challenged on it it was stated "but by only 0.3s". Maybe but even if only 0.0001s of a second quicker it is still quicker. Then came the claim that the GTI was an "all round quicker car" and that it had a higher top-speed of 147MPH (GTI) versus 146MPH (CTR). Fair enough it's faster, but not quicker!

To the OP - If you like the TT buy it, if you like the Golf buy it. Personally, I think the TT is good looking and had dated well. However, I just don't think they are *that* special anymore. That's just a personal view. For the kind of money they are commanding I too would buy an M3.

Ernie Ball

It's really a sad commentary when hatchbacks (hatchbacks!) are upheld as 'manly' cars while sports cars are derided as 'girly' or 'gay.'

How did things come to this?

Hatchbacks!

SouperComputer

Ernie Ball wrote:

It's really a sad commentary when hatchbacks (hatchbacks!) are upheld as 'manly' cars while sports cars are derided as 'girly' or 'gay.'

How did things come to this?

Hatchbacks!

Insurance premiums meant that only women can drive 'em!

ondafly

To Kerbdog (I made it to their final gig - did you ), i suggest taking the views onboard, of people who have actually driven & owned a TT, and not the arm-chair TT drivers. My partner has a TT, and I have an M3. The TT is a great fun drive, plenty of power also and handles like it is on rails (handling around a roundabout would put my M3 to shame). Wndow regulator was the only problem with the car, which seems to exist on all 99+ VAG cars at some stage in their lives.

Goto the UK to pick one up, the level of extras you get on the UK versions far outweights the blaupunkt* radio - cloth** interior'd Irish versions.

*UK models get different versions of the BOSE concert radio
**Alcantara

Gatster

If you really want one, wait a few months until after the launch of the new shape, prices should come down

dingding

kerbdog wrote:

Yes I work in IT, but whats this about being an IT nerd? IT=TT? heh

Anywho, thanks for the input lads. Food for thought, will tell yea how I get on.

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Geekmobile here !!!!!!!

KeRbDoG

dingding wrote:

http://www.geeksquad.com/about/

Geekmobile here !!!!!!!

Thats a VW Beetle

dingding

If you want to be an IT GEEK get a TT and Not a VW:D

Big Balls

jayok wrote:

You're talking to a brick wall here \m/_(>_<)_\m/. Big Balls is a GTI driver and no matter what the facts are the GTI (in Big Balls view) is simply the best car in the world and nothing else comes close. Had him on a Civic Type-R thread and claimed the GTI was quicker (it's not) and when challenged on it it was stated "but by only 0.3s". QUOTE]

I certainly don't think it's the best car in the world.

And if one car is a fraction of a second quicker (purely because of being lighter not having more power) to 60 but is SLOWER in in gear times and top speed, then how can you claim the Civic is quicker. You can't. End of. Muppet.

BRM

I wouldn’t be too keen on the mk iv 4 motion having driven one in Germany I wouldn’t rate it above the TT in terms of handling and performance. The road tax on 3.2 in this country also wouldn’t warrant such a car.


That said I have only driven the 225 TT coupe and 180 Roadster both I would rate higher than the 4 motion.

The hairdresser issue is down to your own taste personally if I were going down that route Id get an older 2.5 boxster much better car all round and you can be sure it would hold its value better than the Audi.

Have you considered the S3 perhaps? These have dropped a lot in the past yr price wise and they are a good all round car. Perhaps a bit more conservative than the TT but just as fun to drive.

Other options for that money would be the 320/325Ci Ok they are everywhere but still a good car and prices are dropping by the day with the new Ci due out soon.