Post concussion & Dirty looks from Doctor

LAAngel

Recently after the N.Ireland Qualifiers that I took part in and also another fight that I had in Sparring, I started to develop really bad headaches, and I had to go to the out of hours doctor. When she asked me have I recently injured of knocked my head in anyway, I told her about the recent fights. She then gave me a shocked look and said I thought there was no punching or kicking to the head, when I told her that there was cause it scores points she gave me the biggest dirty look and said 'well you'd need to stop that then' I told her that I've been doing it since I was 16 and was going to the world championships. I was then told to find a 'safer sport'. She wrote a letter and sent me to A&E. Where I waited for 5 hours to be seen, I was seen at 2am inthe morning and was kept in for 6 days to get a CT and skull xray, which both came back clear and was told I had post concussion that would last for 6 weeks. Each doctor that came to see me always said the same thing "Well you won't be doing that sport again I bet". I then told each of them I planned to start training again as soon as I could. Now if the CT or Xrays hadn't been clear then I wouldn't have fought again as my health is more important eventhough I love Kickboxing.

Now has anyone ever received the same sort of attitude where you get a knock and people assume its a very dangerous sport that shouldn't be done? Now I know that its not the safest sport to do but I swear you would have thought I played chicken with trains. Now I've started training last night, only doing technique and pad work and my coach has told me I'm not allowed to fight for 6 weeks which I totally agree with. Has anyone else had a bad injury from MA before?

silverline

probably an overworked medic who feels she has enough patients without sports people adding to her woes or maby she was just having a bad day !

Vegeta

who hasn't had an injury more like

My very first competition was the WKA nationals and in the final i threw a left hook just as the other guy threw a left hook and he caught me on the arm just where the bicep meets the shoulder. To this day I cant lift a heavy weight above my head with that arm or grapple with full confidence as that arm completely jumps out of place, very weird feeling.

The other one that comes to mind was in a fight night (tkd) for the club, was sparring a guy and threw a side kick and when i was putting my foot back on the ground he threw one and came down on my knee. Hurt like hell but wanted to finish the round. Less than 30 secs later he did it again. I felt like doing the Karate Kid crane kick thingy for the laugh. Was out for ages because of that one.

My groins are also very tempermental and need a lot of stretching and warming before i can spar

FiannaGym.com

Yes, every time I have been to the hospital / Doctor with an injury. Which is quite rare because in general I disregard their advice as in the past it has been useless.

Peace

Roper

Vegeta wrote:

My groins are also very tempermental and need a lot of stretching and warming before i can spar

My groin is unpredictable, I find its responsible for about 90% of my trouble. Particularly with the ladeezz...:cool: *










*And by ladeezz I mean my lovely wife... I'm legally obliged to add that in.

Vegeta

Roper wrote:

*And by ladeezz I mean my lovely wife... I'm legally obliged to add that in.

Priceless

I will try and explain the groin trouble. if i sit on the floor with legs slightly spread (think straddle splits or chinese splits) i find the following very very uncomfortable and indeed limiting my improvement:
Keeping my right leg straight with my toes pointing to the roof i roll my whole leg so that my big toe nearly touches the ground, I then roll my whole leg so that my baby toe nearly touches the ground. All the time my leg is kept straight and in mild straddle split.

Its a hip twisting motion with the pain arising in the groin

I find it hard to do basic hook kicks and some very basic turning kicks as a result and often do them despite the pain (stupid I know but I am a very competitive person as most of you would be).

Roper as you have trouble with your groin have you found any stretch in particular to be good

Millionaire

Vegeta wrote:

who hasn't had an injury more like

My very first competition was the WKA nationals and in the final i threw a left hook just as the other guy threw a left hook and he caught me on the arm just where the bicep meets the shoulder. To this day I cant lift a heavy weight above my head with that arm or grapple with full confidence as that arm completely jumps out of place, very weird feeling.

r

This could be a musclar problem, I got muscles injured once, and it was so bad I could hardly lift a pint of beer....quite literally. nor could I left my arm more than 6 inches.

I did not want to go to the Doc, the usual "take these pills, rest in ice, do not train again for the next 3 years, golf is a better sport for you"

I did some asking about, and in dublin there is a guy who is a deep tissue massage expert,(he is also a guard too), I went to him. weekly or twice a week for 6 weeks, and he got my arm moving pefectly. Man, he hurt me bad too when curing me, dug his fingers into muscles I did not know I had.

Told me I ripped muscles layers and layers below all the on top ones. and 6 months in physio would do what he did in a few weeks.

Great guy...but man was this therapy extremely painful!

LAAngel

Millionaire agree with you about the deep tissue message, a fighter in our club got a bad muscle injury to her leg which wouldn't shake, so our coach got her a deep tissue message and it healed it although she did say it is really painful getting it done, cause it rips your muscles. Body builders get it done so they can get bigger muscles.

Vegeta a few stretches I think are great to do after a warm up are one that you can do with a partner including the one where:
* Your partner kneels on the floor and you put your leg on their shoulder (you hold their hands for balance), they SLOWLY stand up to the level that really stretches you, although they don't go beyound the point where it would damage you. If your flexible its best to get someone taller than you.
* Also a find stretching on into the box spilts but gradually doing them, where at the start u begin by doing your legs shoulder width apart and tensing them for 10 secs, then stand up and shake your legs out, then do it again gradually going out further.

I know other good stretches but they are hard to describe and I'm useless at describing things. Sorry

Tim_Murphy

One night about two years ago I took a few too many leg kicks and hurt my leg and knee. Ended up having to go to the doctor, told her I got hurt kickboxing, when she saw the bruising she basically asked me in not so many words “were the big boys at you?” I tried to explain to her that I was actually the coach and it was one of the girls who had done it, not sure if she actually believed me!

Musashi

The only one that really ever bothered me was when my original Instructor developed Testicular Cancer :eek: The Surgeon he was seeing felt that it came from being kicked in the groin! Many of the lads he saw coming in were either Martial Arts or involved in Football/Soccer. The surgeon himself was a Karateka, and yes he also had lost a testicle to cancer.

Ye know this already lads, but if ye feel the boys after a warm bath or shower and one or both of them feel hard then get to a Doctor straight away! My instructor told me there was no pain or anything, just his testicle felt as hard as the table top. He still wouldn't get it seen to until his wife made him go. Don't be that guy, early detection gives the best chance of being cured, there's a very high success rate in treating this form of cancer.

Happily Ger (my Instructor) made a full recovery and has since had four children, he's been clear over ten years at this stage

Sorry for bringing up "C", but if it helps one guy seek medical attention then that's fine by me

Miles Long

Having finished a heavy uppercut and hook punch drill I got nailed sparring as I was dropping for an uppercut and my opponent (who was a BB from that Ming Ch'uan Brick Breaking club R.I.P.) hit me with one right above my two front teeth just below the little bone at the front of my nose. I bled like a fire hydrant all over myself. When I burst in the door to the med room in my by then Red suit on someone getting a massage. The guys were mortified and I just laughed at the situation.

I had a swell that made me look like I had a gumshield in/bad collagen injection for ages after. The mad thing about it was that nobody in the place could put thier hand on ice or cotton wool or anything, it was just toilet roll and "See you later!", dodgy!:eek:

sunnyjim

When was that Miles?

Vegeta

Tim_Murphy wrote:

One night about two years ago I took a few too many leg kicks and hurt my leg and knee. Ended up having to go to the doctor, told her I got hurt kickboxing, when she saw the bruising she basically asked me in not so many words “were the big boys at you?” I tried to explain to her that I was actually the coach and it was one of the girls who had done it, not sure if she actually believed me!

ha ha ha I remember that one it wasn't just any girl though

thanks for the stretch tips guys

Miles Long

When I was in first year, so, 2.5/3 yrs ago, Why? Do you know me and it not a vice versa thing?

LAAngel

Tim what do you call the girl that did that to you? I've had more injuries including getting a side kick to the jaw, after I got it I got back up and fought, but dear god I couldn't eat proper solid food for 3 days. Also was training in another club on a polised wooden floor done a spinning hook kick and slipped and broke my wrist haha. I always hurt my wrist before the Irish Nationals and never get to fight raging.

dudara

Cracked a rib from walking onto a side kick - didn't go to the doctor as there's sweet FA they can do for that.

Tore my medial ligament and hamstring on my left knee when I landed from a flying kick. Doctor mis-diagnosed it, meaning that I received incorrect treatment for a while. It can still feel weak and twingy (over 18months later). Doctor never really commented on how I obtained the injury, but suffered under the illusion that it was the kicking leg I'd injured as opposed to the landing/standing leg. And I could not explain otherwise to him!!

The person who was most concerned about my training was my dentist! Made me a fitted mouthguard for free. Nice one

Valmont

LAAngel wrote:

Recently after the N.Ireland Qualifiers that I took part in and also another fight that I had in Sparring, I started to develop really bad headaches, and I had to go to the out of hours doctor. When she asked me have I recently injured of knocked my head in anyway, I told her about the recent fights. She then gave me a shocked look and said I thought there was no punching or kicking to the head, when I told her that there was cause it scores points she gave me the biggest dirty look and said 'well you'd need to stop that then' I told her that I've been doing it since I was 16 and was going to the world championships. I was then told to find a 'safer sport'. She wrote a letter and sent me to A&E. Where I waited for 5 hours to be seen, I was seen at 2am inthe morning and was kept in for 6 days to get a CT and skull xray, which both came back clear and was told I had post concussion that would last for 6 weeks. Each doctor that came to see me always said the same thing "Well you won't be doing that sport again I bet". I then told each of them I planned to start training again as soon as I could. Now if the CT or Xrays hadn't been clear then I wouldn't have fought again as my health is more important eventhough I love Kickboxing.

Now has anyone ever received the same sort of attitude where you get a knock and people assume its a very dangerous sport that shouldn't be done? Now I know that its not the safest sport to do but I swear you would have thought I played chicken with trains. Now I've started training last night, only doing technique and pad work and my coach has told me I'm not allowed to fight for 6 weeks which I totally agree with. Has anyone else had a bad injury from MA before?

Same thing happened to me almost identical to your story. The doctors can be so patronising. only I got a 6 crack on my skull, a bruised brain, and a haemotoma to boot!

I fell off a skateboard though!LOL


No injuries in MMA yet, just the usual, sore bones and muscles. I haven't even got a black eye or a bloody nose! Every time I get a whack, I'm sure I got one, but not yet. I'm just lucky when it comes to staying injury free.(so far!)

smacl

LAAngel,

I went to the IMAC seminar on treatment of head injuries in martial arts a couple of years ago and it covered concussion and post concussion. The gist of it is, so far as i can remember, is this;

If you get a bad knock to the head, particularly one that does not result in external bruising/swelling, you may get concussion, which is caused by swelling on the inside of the skull. If you haven't had a hit to the head in a while, this is relatively unlikely to cause you serious permenant injury.

If you take a second knock to the head, while you are already in a concust state, even quite a minor knock, this is much more likely to leave you with a serious brain injury. The reason for this is that the existing internal swelling withing the skull leads to increased pressure, and even a small hit in these circumstances can be devastating.

The term used for this effect is secondary concussion syndrome, and the advise given was that if you have been KOed or had a bad knock to the head, you should avoid taking ANY further blows to the head for 4-6 weeks, although you can continue with other training.

In your position, I would get some advise from a doctor with experience in contact sports. The guy that gave the seminar was the medic for the Irish rugby team and seemed to know his stuff.

Best regards,

Shane

Tim_Murphy

it wasn't just any girl though

True, Brendas tough alright. Apparently she's gone off to a MT camp in Thailand for 6 weeks.

Tim what do you call the girl that did that to you?

Well only nice things to her face obviously.

Vegeta

Tim_Murphy wrote:

True, Brendas tough alright. Apparently she's gone off to a MT camp in Thailand for 6 weeks.

Well only nice things to her face obviously.

What :eek: as if she couldn't punch and kick hard enough already.