musical downloading

thebaz

Aparently downloading mp3 from the Russian site allofmp3 is now illegal in the UK .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5051826.stm
Is it also illegal to download from allofmp3 , in Ireland ?
Are you more likely to get prosecuted for downloading using limewire ?
What are the chances of getting prosecuted in Ireland for downloading using these sites ?

aidan_walsh

Is it also illegal to download from allofmp3 , in Ireland ?

Possibly.

Are you more likely to get prosecuted for downloading using limewire ?

Possibly.

What are the chances of getting prosecuted in Ireland for downloading using these sites ?

Possible.

This has been discussed to death before. Have a look through the search function.

zuma

bax wrote:

Aparently downloading mp3 from the Russian site allofmp3 is now illegal in the UK .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5051826.stm
Is it also illegal to download from allofmp3 , in Ireland ?
Are you more likely to get prosecuted for downloading using limewire ?
What are the chances of getting prosecuted in Ireland for downloading using these sites ?

IRMA have been saying that allofmp3 has been an illegal site for a LONG time!


If you use PeerGuardian you should be a lot more secure than without it!

No one yet has been prosecuted....but people have been fined....almost everyone does it but the 50 or 100 fined have been the tip of the iceberg!!!

thebaz

zuma wrote:

IRMA have been saying that allofmp3 has been an illegal site for a LONG time!


If you use PeerGuardian you should be a lot more secure than without it!

No one yet has been prosecuted....but people have been fined....almost everyone does it but the 50 or 100 fined have been the tip of the iceberg!!!

What is the peerguardian , does it work over limewire ?
What are the fines for using limewire to download ?
i have set slots to 0 on limewire , so i do not upload - getting a bit paranoid with all the overseas prosecutions, and was thinking of using allofmp3 instead , but now it looks like that is also illegal !

ack

Peer Guardian is a firewall for P2P clients that will stop incoming searches from IPs which are known to belong to the authorities.

It's mainly uploaders the authorities are going after anyway. Think about the drug problem cities have, an arrest of a drug pusher is a substantial fight against it in contrast to the arrest of a sole user.

In regard to the chances of getting caught I equate people who are concerned about it to those that fear they may spontaneously combust.

Dont be at yourself

zuma wrote:

IRMA have been saying that allofmp3 has been an illegal site for a LONG time!

IRMA doesnt make or enforce any laws in Ireland though, do they?

If you use PeerGuardian you should be a lot more secure than without it!

There is another school of thought - that those who use Peer Guardian are marked as heavy pirates, and as such these IPs are the ones that are targetted as opposed to some 12 year old who may download one album every blue moon.

ack

NekkidBibleMan wrote:

IRMA doesn't make or enforce any laws in Ireland though, do they?

They don't but they put pressure on the government to do the later and be less lenient on the former.

those who use Peer Guardian are marked as heavy pirates

Wouldn't that involve them conferring with every other authority to see if the given IP is also blocking their IP? Sounds like alot of legwork and effort to me and even if it was established that someone is using Peer Guardian doing so is not a crime.

I'm sure that many people have said this and been wrong but aware of the chances of being prosecuted for file sharing "it will never happen to me".



I've enough of my chest already worrying about winning the lotto.

thebaz

i think i will not bother with peerguardian , as i say i don't upload , slots are set to 0 .
So i am a selfish user rather than dealer, i assume if everyone just did like me the system would not work as there would be nothing to share, so those liable to get caught are the ones that make the system work ... for free .. as i can see how thay can make any money from uploading !!

ack

bax wrote:

as i can see how thay can make any money from uploading

Who's making what money now?

Private bittorrent communities, that is those that offer membership, often require you to keep your share ratio above 1.0. This signifies that one is giving as much back to the community as one is taking. It's good etiquette and what's more uploading a particular torrent you are download can, in theory, significantly increase the ETA of your download.

thebaz

Whoops typo -- should have been
"as i can't see how they can make any money from uploading"

My point is why would people take the risk of uploading and therefore possibly getting caught, when there is no tangible gain i.e. money ?

Giblet

ack wrote:

Who's making what money now?

Private bittorrent communities, that is those that offer membership, often require you to keep your share ratio above 1.0. This signifies that one is giving as much back to the community as one is taking. It's good etiquette and what's more uploading a particular torrent you are download can, in theory, significantly increase the ETA of your download.

Any place that required you to keep a share ratio above 1.0 would fail instantly.

AllofMP3 is the place to go for transcoded rubbish and don't think that for one second that paying for the music on that site makes it legal.

base2

"Any place that required you to keep a share ratio above 1.0 would fail instantly."

Bitsoup.org hasnt failed. Its actually thriving due to people respecting the rules.

Sharing music to like minded individuals is the gain. You give and you recieve. Just have a friends list of people with similar tastes. You've succumbed to the threats of the RIAA and their cronies and thats whats damaging the community.

Giblet

Just think, the global ratio for any tracker is 1.0
That means when someone is on 1.1, there has to be someone on .9

CiaranC

Giblet wrote:

Any place that required you to keep a share ratio above 1.0 would fail instantly.

There are dozens, probably hundreds of private trackers which do just that.

ack

Giblet wrote:

Any place that required you to keep a share ratio above 1.0 would fail instantly.

Correction: they don't require you to keep your ratio at 1.0 but they do request it. 1.0 is a good ratio to have, afterall it doesn't hurt to share. Obviously for the majority who don't have an upload speed equal to their download speed with an SDSL connection this is not possible. To avoid exploitation private torrent trackers don't make public at what point someones share ratio will be so low as to deem their account worthy of closing but it's usually after a period of allowing them to only upload until there ratio increases so they can start downloading again. I think the cut off point is usually around 0.2.

Giblet

And there are dozens which don't. It's a stupid system, I've looked at some of them and they are miserable. Sure they looked good compared to public trackers, but no, they're usually elitist crap.

ack

bax wrote:

why would people take the risk of uploading and therefore possibly getting caught, when there is no tangible gain i.e. money ?

Nobody charges for downloading except cowboys, cowboys with no horses. Lots of people who run XDCC servers do it as a hobby (google it). They enjoy sharing and with regards to bittorent, as I've already stated, it's good etiquette.

ack

CiaranC wrote:

There are dozens, probably hundreds of private trackers which do just that.

I've just been checking bitsoup out. Seems that if after you've downloaded 10gbs if your ratio is 0.8 or lower they'll remove your account. It's a good idea but I'm not so sure if I didn't have SDSL i'd be able to live up to it.

thebaz

ack wrote:

Nobody charges for downloading except cowboys, cowboys with no horses. Lots of people who run XDCC servers do it as a hobby (google it). They enjoy sharing and with regards to bittorent, as I've already stated, it's good etiquette.

The legal sites such as itunes , napster charge for downloading - and i assume pay copyright fees to IMRA - for Napster and itunes and other legal sites to continue to charge there prices and gain a bigger marketshare, and for IMRA to claim copyright fees , the war on illegal downloading is going to become more intense, it is already happening !. is the risk of getting free mp3 from limewire worth the risk of get fined or prosecuted , rather than shelling out 1 euro per legal download.

dougadam

It's best to be honest and pay for your downloads.

ack

bax wrote:

The legal sites such as itunes , napster charge for downloading - and i assume pay copyright fees to IMRA - Napster and itunes

Yes but you were talking about illegal sites!

is the risk of getting free mp3 from limewire worth the risk of get fined or prosecuted , rather than shelling out 1 euro per legal download.

Yes but when you weigh up the chances of getting caught against how much you stand to gain.

Stick with the "it'll never happen to me" train of thought, say your prayers everynight and you'll be just fine. When in doubt click your heels three times and say "there's no place like home, there's no place like home...". That is to suggest that worrying about being caught you're living in a fairyland

thebaz

i'll try clicking my heals 3 times, will that get rid of the fear of getting caught ?
the fear will go for sure if is i shell out the 1 euro per song from itunes, i know Apple need the money .

ack

Yes but all those 1 euro per songs add up. You could be putting them in your piggy bank for a rainy day!

Giblet

Yeah I'd advise you to stop condoning the illegal download of music.

ack

This is all hypothetical, you must be reading a different thread.

Giblet

I'm reading the same thread the comp mods will be reading

TerrorFirmer

Well sure I'm grand anyway - it's my sister who downloads all the time, so whatever I have can be quietly swept under the rug and blamed on "She downloads loads of music"!

Really though, I don't download music either legally or illegally really....but I think the odds of getting caught as a casual user are extremely low, usually/always its the large uploaders who are made an example of

ack

Giblet did it! Witch! Witch! Witch!