€50 Omaha Fitz hand and general thoughts

5starpool

Playing €50 Omaha cash game on Sunday night, and this hand is a good example of the type of hands I have been thinking about for the last while. My main thinking lately in Omaha is when to raise with the nuts with no redraws, when to raise with huge draws (if at all) and when it may not be sensible to play at all even with the current nuts on a scary board.

Anyways, hand in question.

I make it €4 on the blind UTG, 5 callers, I have no live option. My hand AsTsKdTh.

Flop 9TJr (25)

I check (~400), next player (~375) bets pot, 1 caller (~150), I call to see turn.

Turn 5s (100). This card gives me nut spade draw as well as the inside straight draw to the nuts and trips. This is the situation I am thinking about here. I have a huge draw (20 outs). Potentially the flop bet caller has a set of jacks but I dont think so (his call of the pony didn't look to confident). Even if he does, I still have 12 outs to the nuts (straight and flush).

Should I lead the betting into this pot in this big draw situation knowing that the player to my left almost certainly has KQ? He is normally a Hold'em only player. He knows enough about Omaha to know not to lead the betting with crap, but he is not a regular or tricky player. If I lead here there is a good chance all the money goes in now. If I check/call and hit there is a good likelyhood that I will not get paid, against most players anyhow.

Anyhow, I check, other guy bets pot (100), third player folds and I call.

River J (300)

Board now: JsTd9h5sJd

I lead with the underfull for 200...............

Comments on all streets and thoughts welcome and appreciated.

fuzzbox

Well played.
The J is the worst card to hit for you, it would be better if you hit a backdoor flush.

There is no need to raise the turn, as you might get paid even by just calling, and you are not going to make him fold KQ here.
If the 2nd guy calls the 100 however (or raises), then you can go for your guns, hoping to get all-in Vs two guys with 20 wins for you getting 2:1.

careca

fuzzbox wrote:

Well played.
The J is the worst card to hit for you, it would be better if you hit a backdoor flush.

There is no need to raise the turn, as you might get paid even by just calling, and you are not going to make him fold KQ here.
If the 2nd guy calls the 100 however (or raises), then you can go for your guns, hoping to get all-in Vs two guys with 20 wins for you getting 2:1.

I thought the same, he wont fold KQ (why would he) and a call is the best option. And i would bet that river, although its possible he has KQJ9, just ul if so.

Could you explain the bit about reraising if the second player calls or raises fuzz. Is this simply the maths dictating your odds ?

As for your questions Dom about betting with the nuts, I always go back to JPs advice about Omaha in the Fitz. Get em and bet em. Someone will always call, or at least enough of the time to make it profitable

fuzzbox

Careca,
if the 2nd player raises, then he prolly has KQ, as does the first guy. Since you would be reasonably likely to have 20 wins, you can shove your chips in there with 20 wins from 52 - 4 board cards - 4 your cards - KQ twice (4) = 40. You win 50% of the time, and you get 2:1.

If you put 500 in, then 50% of the time you end the hand with 1500, and 50% you end with zero. EV = +500.

careca

Right, so when he raises he states his hand and you;re getting the odds. Thats where I would lose a lot of equity in omaha.

And while I'm getting the free lessons if second player just flat calls, should we just flat call also or do we tank it ?

henbane

careca wrote:

if second player just flat calls, should we just flat call also or do we tank it ?

tank it

careca

henbane wrote:

tank it

must change my style and I thought I was lag.