Tomorrow's MMA...

john kavanagh

you tube - 'Ultimate' Drake

kids like these will wonder what all the fuss in the early days was about. it'll seem so obvious to them to train the 3 ranges with the same method - technique, progressive resistance plus conditioning

Millionaire

Thats what progression is all about in MA.

and they are lucky to benefit from it, and in this day and age to have such modern training available to them...

As I said on here before, when I was a kid, Kickboxing (as in continous fighting with good contact) was probably the post progressive back in 80s.

Darkwarrior

That Highlight is cooler than most Pro fighters' Highlight Vids. And not just because he's a kid - in some cases his skills are actually better than some "Pro's".

Amazing:eek:

Millionaire

I train with a lad, when I was a kid. his father was a bit of a header, anyway he took him out of school. the kid was like 14 (we used to kickbox in the same club), and he sent him to dublin everyday to do kickboxing in a full time gym. this went on for over 1 year. he developed amazing skills. then his dad, being a header, fell out with the kickboxing teacher and that was the end of that.

kind of a bit extreme, taking a kid out of school at 14, to do kickboxing full time. (ok with soccer they get to finish school, and have a stab at a pro career)...but kickboxing (and this was like 20 years back).

damo

Damn, i wish i couldve had that kind of training when i was 10 years old instead of Shotokan Karate....i mean dont get me wrong when it came to the street i was lethal but i wouldve been way out of my depth in an mma bout....

droc

That kid's amazing, seeing things like that makes you eager to see MMA in 10 years time

DROC

Michael O Leary

How safe is it for kids to be knee'ing each other in the back?

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

Clive

I never really wanted children until now ...

Michael, he actually knees him repeatedly in the ass cheeks - less dangerous and far funnier!

walshb

Elytron wrote:

Shows what talents and good training can do for anyone! The kid is awesome. But don't forget, kids like this are 10 a penny in sports like soccer etc. Just cos you're **** hot as a 10 year old doens't make you the next pele/rickson.

Agreed Elytron, but amazing?, how exactly. Just kids fighting, messing about throwing a few punches and kicks. That carry on was everyday when I was a nipper in school. I just don't see what you guys do.

kenpo_dave

walshb wrote:

Agreed Elytron, but amazing?, how exactly. Just kids fighting, messing about throwing a few punches and kicks. That carry on was everyday when I was a nipper in school. I just don't see what you guys do.

Perhaps you and your mates got into "mess fights" but I seriously doubt you were anything like that. The kid is a natural. However, when he hits, perhaps 15 or so, he'll have to do some serious stand up training for a few years to become a great 'all-round' fighter.

OSU,

Dave.

walshb

Like what. I was in many fights, no different than any kid and I've seen many fights and to me they were no better or worse than what that kid displayed and as Elytron said, they are ten a penny. Let's see how he develops over the next ten yrs. As for right now, he's no better or worse than hundred of kids here in Dublin

Drummo

To give this little sprite anything but straight up props reeks of jealousy!

Bang o' envy in here!!!! :rolleyes:

kenpo_dave

walshb wrote:

Like what. I was in many fights, no different than any kid and I've seen many fights and to me they were no better or worse than what that kid displayed and as Elytron said, they are ten a penny. Let's see how he develops over the next ten yrs. As for right now, he's no better or worse than hundred of kids here in Dublin

Aww c'mon that kids got alot of skill. How many kids do know will willingly get down on their knees and still tap out their opponent? As Drummo said "Bang o' envy in here". What I wouldnt give to have been started in MA when he started. And I agree, that kid deserves all the credit he gets

OSU,

Dave.

walshb

Dave, apologies I do not see the real skill you do. Remember he also had opponents who were holding their own as far as I could see. He's a good kid with potential talent but to get carried away I think is a wee bit premature. I was in Kenpo clubs for a few years and then Boxing and I came across dozens of great kids and teens, but nobody batted an eyelid. It wasn't uncommon and a lot never progressed to the Senior level

My comparison to the playground is basically saying that there was always certain guys in school who were just physically faster and stronger than the other kids. I saw them and believe me they were a lot fiercer than that kid!!!

Clive

walshb wrote:

Dave, apologies I do not see the real skill you do.

Nail on the head there!

Michael O Leary

Hi WalshB,

I have to disagree with you in that I can see a lot of skill in what the kid can do and I know very little about MMA. However the film is heavily edited and maybe it shows him dealing with inferior opponents.

Clive, I had a look at the clip again and as well as kneeing his opponents in the ass cheeks he also seems to be applying knees into the stomach both standing and also while his opponent is on the ground. He is also hitting his opponent with what appears to be full force with neither of them wearing head protection. All of this together with the fact of having 8-10 year olds fighting in what looks like a cage leaves me asking questions.

Is it safe, is is healthy?

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

ShaneT

Two words: "Holy Crap!" :eek:

This kids submission skills are AWESOME in the extreme. Ok, the "striking not so much comments" are indeed fair. But, the subs... ...oh sweet LORD!!! Those subs!!!!

I particularly like the "turtle then tiger" method. Very nice indeed.

Triangles like lighting, takedowns of MEGA proportions, textbook perfect armbars, patience, agility, intelligence, leglocks, guard passes, position/control.

I'm not sure that there is an adult out there in the professional world of MMA that matches this kids grappling skill.

100% impressed and then some... :cool:

Millionaire

as per my post above.

That Kid whose dad took him out of school to kickbox, had ungodly kickboxing skills, and thats 20 years ago.

I am sure there is tons of kids in boxing clubs all up and down Ireland, with better skills in their sport too.

You always get the few who are naturals regardless of sport.

Dragan

walshb wrote:

Dave, apologies I do not see the real skill you do.

Once again dude, just to point out that your field of expertise is striking, i'm not too sure how experienced you are with subs/wrestling etc.

I wouldn't have the world of experience either but i can see that the kids is subtle, quick, has very good transitions, doesn't announce his intentions in any way that i can see and is a very clever grappler.

The things he's doing now will be done so instinctively when he is older that should he be a bit lucky in the way things turn out he could go very far. and if he adds some solid striking training he could go further.

mirwillbeback

The Kid is fourteen, displays triangle, leg and gnp submissions, looks like a good clinch and throws knees - and people are picking faults. Omg what is mma in Ireland coming to.

I might try bring him over for a seminar......

walshb

Fourteen?. I thought he was 12. Anyway I've come from three different backrounds, Kenpo, Judo and most of all Boxing. I also have watched and like Thai and Greco wrestling so I wouldn't say I'm naieve in these combat activities and from them all I've seen in person dozens of young teens who have possessed better skills, more speed and more ferocity than what was on that Video. I have also seen dozens of kids with no backround in combat sport who are just naturally tougher, faster and stronger than kids who have backrounds. Kids are kids and a lot will show this type of skill and fluency in fights. There are then kids who are as awkward as hell and who will never show any balance or rythm. I just think most of the posters are far too easily impressed here, that's all!!!!.

Colm_OReilly

As someone who coaches younglings in MMA to me that kid looked talented.

He's not naturally strong looking at his physique, which makes it more impressive that he's trained to that level.

Ferocity is not something I try to breed into the kids I coach. Yes I tell them to be proactive and always push forward, which I believe is what his coaches tell him.

Leg locks - they're just cheap. At one point I thought I saw him attempt a twister. I noticed the vid thanked Eddie Bravo. I'd question how safe leg locks are with younglings BUT that could be my BJJ background telling me "it'z cheeeeep my frien'!"

As for MMA in Ireland, give Roddy, Roper and myself a few years and we'll see what sort of hell we can unleash on the MMA League!

LAAngel

Gotta say the only thing I know about MMA is what I see on UFC but I think his submissions are amazing. I think you see that the kid has real talent, wether he grows up to be even better and a pro remains to be seen cause factors such as noticing girls, studying and partying all come into it. I think he has great talent and with the right guidance he really could go pro.

There are some great kid fighters now, but I do think that the ones that have the hunger to win and basically have no fear will go far.

FiannaGym.com

I AM TOMORROW'S MMA!!

That kid was deadly, no question. Yes he might discover drink and drugs and rock and roll and give it all up but that's not evident from the video. What is evident is he has good skills (not just ninja or computer hacking either).

He does try a twister and even uses twister side control if I'm not mistaken. I also tought the twisting leg locks were a bit mad, only considering their age and all. But they obviously have the skills.

Peace

LAAngel

I hope not cause it would be a waste of real talent. Also do you ever see the kids that fight over in Thailand, oh my god. Its great to see such talent, to be honest I'd think I'd rather go watch that 14 year old fight than some adults. Although each time I see those arm and leg locks makes my stomach turn cause I'm waiting for the bone to snap.

walshb

Elytron, it was in the oldest Kenpo/Judo club in Ireland at Donnycarney. My father founded it. But then from going to the stadium as a nipper, I decided to give Boxing a shot and stayed with it for 10 years. Check the link below on the club

http://www.kenpokarateireland.com/

Great club that produced some real quality fighters. I'm not being biased, just the truth.....

Roper

Just saw a picture of your Da walsh and he's the head of yeh! I know now what you'll look like in 20 years!:D

walshb

There was a big Judo club also there. They were set up at the same time as far as I know. The Judo club was excellent and it was under the control of a John Douglas, mate of my Father. I'm sure any guys with a good Judo backround would most definitely heard of him and the club. I trained in both, not for too long mind you because the Boxing bug took over!!!, and to me it is far superior in almost every aspect.

GOAT_Ali

Elytron wrote:

nope never heard of him. superior in every aspect? you should come down to the next boards gathering and teach me a bit of boxing walsh i've decided to rethink my complete training progamme and going back to basics, step, punch, step punch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj9JyK6VmuM&search=muhammad%20ali

You mean what Ali Basically does in this clip...you sure now it's really that simple. I think Ely you may want to rethink alright!!!:)

Dragan

GOAT_Ali wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj9JyK6VmuM&search=muhammad%20ali

You mean what Ali Basically does in this clip...you sure now it's really that simple. I think Ely you may want to rethink alright!!!:)

I beleive he said "basics" not "simple".

GOAT_Ali

Are you two Mates??

Dragan

GOAT_Ali wrote:

Are you two Mates??

Nope. I just like pointing out when people read stuff wrong, gets me through the day.

GOAT_Ali

I know, I think I already pulled Ely up on that before!!!

GOAT_Ali

I could have sworn the words 'basic' and 'simple' were at least a little similar. You obviously are a lot fussier than MOST

Dragan

GOAT_Ali wrote:

I could have sworn the words 'basic' and 'simple' were at least a little similar. You obviously are a lot fussier than MOST

It's all about context. For Boxing, i would cosider basic to be things like, jab, cross, uppercut, footwork, head movement, you know, BASIC foundations of the game.

On the other hand, i would consider "simple" to slapping something with your hand and not worrying about it too much.

GOAT_Ali

Good call, but either way Ely was implying that it was nothing but plain and simple. What Ali was doing was far from basic or simple.....We'll agree to AGREE then!!!

Dragan

GOAT_Ali wrote:

Good call, but either way Ely was implying that it was nothing but plain and simple. What Ali was doing was far from basic or simple.....We'll agree to AGREE then!!!

I don't think so , i think Ely was saying that he needs to get back to "basics". I don't think he was trying to imply that it would be easy, or simple, or that any of the greats were not so great because they did the basics well.

I think what Ely was saying was "I can do this complicated thing because it attracted me with its complexity, but damn it, now i see i ignored some important foundation work, so i'm gonna put in the effort to get the basics down."

But thats just my interpretation.

Dragan

Elytron wrote:

good work dragan

I have too much time on my hands i feel.

Right, i'm off to redden my shins on the heavy bag.

GOAT_Ali

Take a chill pill there Ely. Vendetta, steady on Horse!!!. You are right, boxing is simple when you are blessed with coordination, speed of hand and foot, power, a chin and the heart of a lion. Other than all that, it's a walk in the park. Friends?

LAAngel

Thank god thats sorted, I was gonna find a ruler there haha. JK

Dragan

LAAngel wrote:

Thank god thats sorted, I was gonna find a ruler there haha. JK

Don't know if they do them that small.

LAAngel

Haha, know we'll see another debate start JK:p

LAAngel

Haha, know we'll see another debate start JK:p

LAAngel

What???? I was just kidding!:o

goo

What a mental thread. I'm pretty sure JK just started the thread to show there are people learning well rounded mma from a really young age. Saying this kid is the next big thing is stupid, but pointing that out seems bitter, and that's all this thread has been. Six pages of it. Having the credits at the beginning of the video annoyed me aswell. What a frustrating day haha.