The Wicker Man Trailer

Basq

Watch it here!

... well, it was never gonna be good anyways!

....

Poor Nicholas Cage..

Is Hollywood so out of originality that they have to remake every film possible?

ObeyGiant

Well, fair play to them for not doing a straight, almost shot-for-shot remake (What's up, The Omen?). It doesn't seem to lack any subtlety, but I'd still be interested in seeing how they fare creating a more visceral, teen-horror.

And at the very least, we'll get to see Nicolas Cage BURN.

Basq

Consider spoilers there for that last line, ObeyGiant!

Some people may not have seen the original!

ObeyGiant

1. I don't particularly think of that as being a "spoiler" - it's not a big Sixth Sense-ish twist, and I don't think the film hinges on that surprise.

2. Surely there's a statute of limitations on spoilers. Something like it's okay to talk about the endings of films that are over THIRTY YEARS OLD. If you haven't seen it by now, it's your own fault etc. etc.

lodgepole

This thread isn't about the original though. Who knows what way they've shaped the new version of the film, the ending could come as more of a surprise than it did previously. Spoiler tags aren't a chore, they're just common courtesy.

Karl Hungus

ObeyGiant wrote:

1. I don't particularly think of that as being a "spoiler" - it's not a big Sixth Sense-ish twist, and I don't think the film hinges on that surprise.

2. Surely there's a statute of limitations on spoilers. Something like it's okay to talk about the endings of films that are over THIRTY YEARS OLD. If you haven't seen it by now, it's your own fault etc. etc.

Sorry there Obey, but I edited your post to include spoiler tags. While I'd agree on the shelf-life* of spoilers, we are technically talking about a new film here, and I think whether or not the film hinges on a twist or not, giving away the ending of a film in any case is pretty poor play.

*

omg, Darth Vader was Luke's father all along!

:eek:

ObeyGiant wrote:

Well, fair play to them for not doing a straight, almost shot-for-shot remake (What's up, The Omen?). It doesn't seem to lack any subtlety, but I'd still be interested in seeing how they fare creating a more visceral, teen-horror.

I'd agree there. One of the reasons I enjoyed the remake of Dawn Of The Dead so much is because it was a very, very different film to the original. I think this new Wicker Man looks to be taking more of a Ring-esque 'Creepy little girl' route, which I think is extremely over used at this stage, so I'm not hopefull for this remake at all.

ObeyGiant

So what exactly is being said here? Because they're remaking this movie, we have to hide any talk of the ending of the original, but if there's not an actual remake in the pipeline it's fair game? What about if I want to talk about the ending of the Exorcist and someone decides to remake this - do I have to apply spoilers retro-actively? Or a better example would be Empire Strikes Back: if George Lucas goes back and remakes Empire Strikes Back with all-CGI characters (not unlikely), do I have to cut out all the "I AM YOUR FATHER" jokes for fear of being some movie-spoiling weenie?

Might be a little extreme, but I'm just wondering where the line is, or if the line is being redrawn on a whim.

Hell, since as you say, this is a new film; we don't know that they follow the original ending at all.

Sorry guys, I just can't get with this at all. I guess this isn't helped by the fact that the Wicker Man scene is so famous on its own that, like the final scene in Planet of the Apes, even if they haven't seen the movie, most people know that scene, or that twist. Blame all those "100 greatest..." shows on Channel 4. That scene has appeared there, unedited, countless times.

(ps - I'm not really expecting this to be a very popular opinion.)

CodeMonkey

Karl Hungus wrote:

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omg, Darth Vader was Luke's father all along!

:eek:

Hidden star wars spoiler in the wicker man thread ... arrgh, my eyes. Now I can't won't bother watching star wars

No rules about random spoilers from other movies then?

Karl Hungus

I'm not going to get into it, Obey. I'm not laying down any new rules, so you don't have to get uppity about what's going to be allowed. Just be considerate with spoilers.

Out of curiosity, has The Wicker Man been referenced as widely as Empire Strikes Back or Planet of The Apes in shows like The Simpsons or Family Guy?

ObeyGiant

Karl Hungus wrote:

I'm not going to get into it, Obey. I'm not laying down any new rules, so you don't have to get uppity about what's going to be allowed. Just be considerate with spoilers.

On the contrary, this is most certainly a new rule. The ending to this movie has been talked about (un-spoiler'd) before this thread.
example. Contains spoilers, obv..

Ditto the ending to the Planet of the Apes (and remake), not one month after the film came out.

Karl Hungus wrote:

Out of curiosity, has The Wicker Man been referenced as widely as Empire Strikes Back or Planet of The Apes in shows like The Simpsons or Family Guy?

It's hardly a fair comparison, is it? An 18/R-rated movie vs two PG movies? Anyhoo... for the record, I spotted a Wicker Man reference while watching the first series of American Dad over the weekend.

And while we're on the subject, the director of the original is making a semi-sequel to the Wicker Man called Cowboys for Christ.

J.R.HARTLEY

oh god why remake it, anyway i agree with obey anyone who hasn't seen the original will probably bypass the thread when they see wicker man.


edit: just noticed the childs name is rowan woodward, obviously some homage to original star edward woodward.

Karl Hungus

ObeyGiant wrote:

On the contrary, this is most certainly a new rule. The ending to this movie has been talked about (un-spoiler'd) before this thread.
example. Contains spoilers, obv..

Ditto the ending to the Planet of the Apes (and remake), not one month after the film came out.

As you know, Ixoy and myself have only recently been made film mods, so I'm not sure what on earth you're suggesting by posting examples of a 2 year old thread, and a 5 year old thread. Are you suggesting that I should go through every single thread on this board retroactively enforcing rules?

Besides, I think it would be safe to say that a thread where the title is "Planet of the Apes ending?" is actually going to be discussing the ending, and contain spoilers.

But anyway, you're completely right. I made a big mistake, because there is nothing about spoilage at all in the charter. I think up untill now, it's just been common courtesy not to give too much away, but I think I'll have to have a chat with Ixoy about that and see if something's needed or not.

ObeyGiant wrote:

It's hardly a fair comparison, is it? An 18/R-rated movie vs two PG movies?

I remember many a reference to A Nightmare On Elm Street in The Simpsons, so I'd say it's a perfectly fair comparison.

I'd say it's more down to the fact of The Wicker Man being a much lesser known film. If we take the amount of votes each respective film has recieved on imdb.com as an indicator of a film's audience, at the time of writing, Star Wars has 168,455 votes, whereas The Wicker Man has a mere fraction of that at 7,071.

J.R.HARTLEY wrote:

anyway i agree with obey anyone who hasn't seen the original will probably bypass the thread when they see wicker man.

Why would that be? It's a thread about the trailer, a good place to find out about a new film. Not exactly somwhere they'd expect to find the ending of the film given away.

ObeyGiant

Karl Hungus wrote:

so I'm not sure what on earth you're suggesting by posting examples of a 2 year old thread

Well, I thought it was quite clear. What I'm suggesting is that this is a new rule. A rule brought in by the ixoy/Karl Hungus regime.

Karl Hungus wrote:

But anyway, you're completely right. I made a big mistake, because there is nothing about spoilage at all in the charter

Please don't get me wrong here. I'm a big fan of the spoiler tag. I wouldn't be able to read the Lost forum at all if it wasn't for the spoiler tag. But I just think that there are certain cases, such as the one we're in right now, where it's hard to decide whether the spoiler tag should be used. Specifically on a 33 year old film, where the ending is 'spoiled' regularly on TV and in magazines, and where the ending isn't made any less effective by knowing what's going to happen.

Think "Rosebud" in Citizen Kane.

Karl Hungus wrote:

I'd say it's more down to the fact of The Wicker Man being a much lesser known film. If we take the amount of votes each respective film has recieved on imdb.com as an indicator of a film's audience, at the time of writing, Star Wars has 168,455 votes, whereas The Wicker Man has a mere fraction of that at 7,071.

If you're saying that Wicker Man isn't as well known across the pond as it is in the UK and Ireland, then you'll get no argument here. But I fail to see the relevance of this in this context. Are you saying it's okay to "spoil" Empire Strikes Back because more people have seen it than have seen the Wicker Man? If so, where is the cut-off line?

I'm not calling for an abolishion of the spoiler tag, I'd just like to know if there are going to be rules regarding its use, I'd like an actual rule that I can follow (not a rule of thumb), because right now I'm using my discretion and common sense and I'm being told that this is "poor play".

Karl Hungus wrote:

Why would that be? It's a thread about the trailer, a good place to find out about a new film. Not exactly somwhere they'd expect to find the ending of the film given away.

Repeating something I said earlier - we were discussing the ending of the original. Noone has seen the remake, so noone can say for sure that the remake ends this way.

J.R.HARTLEY

can i ask , does that mean we can't discuss the old omen without spoilers

Tusky

Oh come on Obey, it doesnt need to be discussed to this degree! I would say ALOT less people know the ending to 'The Wicker Man' than you would think. comparing it to "Luke, I am your father" is silly.

BrenC

the trailer looks so so, I want to see the original

Kintarō Hattori

ObeyGiant wrote:

2. Surely there's a statute of limitations on spoilers. Something like it's okay to talk about the endings of films that are over THIRTY YEARS OLD. If you haven't seen it by now, it's your own fault etc. etc.

Ah now that's just nasty. With all the thousands of movies out there, surely you aren't expecting that I've seen them all? I'm sure most people I know have never seen The Wicker Man, let alone even heard of it. I know I hadn't up until a few years ago, and probably still wouldn't until this day if it hadn't of been for my ex-flatmate.

Don't be mean! Spolier Tags are there for a reason!

BlitzKrieg

Because they're remaking this movie, we have to hide any talk of the ending of the original,

There is a flaw in Obeygiants long winded argument...He isnt spoiling the original he specified the actor (Mr Cage) in the remake, therefore he is technically spoiling the remake and not the original...


but as he has not seen the remake it could be argued that he is in fact not spoiling anything but theorizing based on events in the original film, but one must assume that a wicker man remake without the classic ending in some form will recieve the same harsh reaction as the Planet of the Apes remake did with its *new* ending.


In the end this is too much brainpower over nothing.

ObeyGiant

Tusky wrote:

Oh come on Obey, it doesnt need to be discussed to this degree! I would say ALOT less people know the ending to 'The Wicker Man' than you would think. comparing it to "Luke, I am your father" is silly.

Well, I'm not giving a direct comparison. I'm saying that the Empire spoiler is so well-known, it's not even considered a "spoiler" any more. The Wicker Man ending is unquestionably less well-known. But I was asking where the cut-off point was. Where does a spoiler become so well-known that it's no longer considered a spoiler? When it's got >100,000 votes on IMDB?

ObeyGiant

eo980 wrote:

Ah now that's just nasty. With all the thousands of movies out there, surely you aren't expecting that I've seen them all? I'm sure most people I know have never seen The Wicker Man, let alone even heard of it. I know I hadn't up until a few years ago, and probably still wouldn't until this day if it hadn't of been for my ex-flatmate.

Don't be mean! Spolier Tags are there for a reason!

See, I wasn't being nasty. It's not like I was sitting at my keyboard waiting for the clock to strike THIRTY THREE YEARS since a film was released so I could go onto the internet and reveal things to people. And I'm certainly not expecting people to have seen every film. I just think that there are certain films whose endings have become part of our cinematic vocabulary and, even without having seen the original, people are perfectly aware of certain events of key scenes.

Such as the ending of the Wicker Man.

Apologies for crediting this film board with more filmic knowledge than it evidently has.

ObeyGiant

BlitzKrieg wrote:

There is a flaw in Obeygiants long winded argument...He isnt spoiling the original he specified the actor (Mr Cage) in the remake, therefore he is technically spoiling the remake and not the original..

Well, yes, I was assuming the ending would follow the original, but that was never really part of my argument. It was just an incidental tangent based on a joke in my first post (which feels like weeks ago).

ObeyGiant

Karl Hungus wrote:

Out of curiosity, has The Wicker Man been referenced as widely as Empire Strikes Back or Planet of The Apes in shows like The Simpsons or Family Guy?

Sorry to drag this out more, but I was watching some Spaced last night and realised that while The Wicker Man might not get weekly mentions in the Simpsons or Family Guy (although, as I said, it did get a mention in American Dad), it is frequently referenced in English, post-watershed comedies like Spaced, The Fast Show and League of Gentlemen.

Karl Hungus

ObeyGiant wrote:

Apologies for crediting this film board with more filmic knowledge than it evidently has.

You're just being spiteful now, Obey.

I really can't see this going anywhere but around in circles with you. You claim that the Wicker Man is as engrained in film history as much as The Empire Strikes Back, yet when people dispute your claim, you go as far as to make such a petty insult. The knowledge of the patrons of this board isn't in question.

Now, I'm not going to bother making up any new rules about a film having to be X well known before spoilers are obsolete, where X being defined by amount of references, or imdb.com votes, or something equally as vauge. All I'm going to say is, that in this case, I think spoiler tags for giving away the ending were needed. This isn't going to be a precedent for any new rules, this is just a once-off decision.

So continue to use your own discretion with reguards to spoilers.

ixoy

Just stepping in here to back up Karl. Obey Obey please our decision on this spoiler. I don't think the film is ingrained in the psyche of the cinema-goer as much as you might think - I recall hearing it mentioned in "The League of Gentlemen" (the BBC show) and I didn't know to what it was referring to until I heard the commentary. The movie itself is more of a cult movie than a popular movie as it is so people mightn't make the connection to seeing the ending satirised and knowing what movie it is.

Just use the spoiler tags. Thankee.

djkeogh

I think spoiler tags should be used as Karl said this thread is titled Wicker Man Trailer and I don't think it's right to give away potential endings without spoiler tags.

I'm quite interested in this film after seeing that it's Neil LaBute directing it. He's made some great uncomfortable to watch films in the past and I think if he can get the tone on this one right it will definitely be worth a watch.

Christopher Lee was such a presence in the original film that I doubt his character will be as well handled here.

Pigman II

I agree with ObeyGiant on this one.

Maybe I took him wrong here but I'm guessing ObeyGiant hasn't seen the new WickerMan Movie and his comment about what happens to Cage at the end is pure speculation based around the '75 version rather than inside information on his part? Sure it'll probably be the case that that indeed happens to Cage but since we don't know then it's really not a spoiler is it?

As for the Empire Strikes Back comparison I don't think it is valid because (irregardless of how well known that twist in ESB is) you still are discussing facts about a movie that has already been release as opposed to just speculating on an upcoming release.

Xcom2

Um before everyone forgets about the original (i'm with Giant on this one).

Where are all the nekkid ladies dancing? Is this another PG 13 snorefest?

Hugh Hefner

So the film, yeah? Looks crap.

YeatsCounty

First 'The Omen', now 'The Wicker Man'. Does Hollywood have any shame?

Looks pretty poor as well. Boo-urns.