Football Qualifier Draw

cruiserweight

For me the most interesting games should (will) be Kildare vs Cavan and Meath vs Carlow!What are peoples opinions on the Louth game being played in Navan instead of Louth?

Tyrone -v- Louth
Monaghan -v- Wicklow
Kildare/Offaly -v- Cavan
London -v- Westmeath
Antrim -v- Clare
Down -v- Sligo
Waterford -v- Longford
Meath -v- Carlow

smashey

cruiserweight wrote:

For me the most interesting games should (will) be Kildare vs Cavan and Meath vs Carlow!What are peoples opinions on the Louth game being played in Navan instead of Louth?

Strange. I thought the whole idea of the 'designated county', was to help the so called weaker teams. Making Louth play at a neutral venue doesn't fit in with this idea.

netwhizkid

IMO if a strong county like, Kerry, Tyrone, Armagh, Dublin <-(although not strong yesterday) are beaten that should be it, if we get beaten in Kerry we deserve to be beaten and have never won an All-Ireland through the "back-door". It is a thundering Disgrace that Tyrone are allowed back in again, there should be a rule that stronger counties are kept out when beaten. Base it on last years showing in the Semi-Finals on even the Final; prohibit those either two or four teams from utilising the back door.

The same goes for hurling. I for one am red mad at RTE they are disgrace, Last nights Sunday Game was a total farce, The biggest game of day was Waterford V Tipperary, Where was it shown ?? Where was it, It was shown at the very last nearly. This is a disgrace, we need to promote Hurling and make it fashionable again. They spent nearly half an hour on the Longford - Dublin game that had an attendance of only 16,000.

Hurling has to be promoted and popularising it on TV is a big start. It seems as if Hurling is dying and keeping the likes of Cork and Kilkenny out when beaten is going to be a big start, similarly with Kerry, Tyrone etc. for Football. If the stronger counties are removed from the equation then, eventually the stronger counties may make it to a Final or Semi-Final. Look at Cavan when Kerry beat them in the 1997 semi-final, people still reminisce about that game here on boards.

Even if the team are beaten such brushes with victory will inspire a whole new generation of kids who are now disillusioned with the GAA and would rather play Rugby hoping to play for Munster. Why you may ask? Cork is always winning the Hurling and Tyrone and Kerry for Football etc, why bother then, we haven't a hope etc. are the answer you will probably get. Mayo footballers brought the County to a standstill in 2004, Imagine what it would have done for GAA in the county had they won. I call it the Croke Park dream, it inspires thousands of primary school kids hoping to emulate the likes of the Gooch and Seán Óg Ó hAilpín, I also argued this reason against opening Croke park to Soccer & Rugby, but the GAA (Grab All Association) but Cash before the long term viability of their game.

Give the little guy a chance and he will prove himself.

Lemlin

netwhizkid wrote:

IMO if a strong county like, Kerry, Tyrone, Armagh, Dublin <-(although not strong yesterday) are beaten that should be it, if we get beaten in Kerry we deserve to be beaten and have never won an All-Ireland through the "back-door". It is a thundering Disgrace that Tyrone are allowed back in again, there should be a rule that stronger counties are kept out when beaten. Base it on last years showing in the Semi-Finals on even the Final; prohibit those either two or four teams from utilising the back door.

The same goes for hurling. I for one am red mad at RTE they are disgrace, Last nights Sunday Game was a total farce, The biggest game of day was Waterford V Tipperary, Where was it shown ?? Where was it, It was shown at the very last nearly. This is a disgrace, we need to promote Hurling and make it fashionable again. They spent nearly half an hour on the Longford - Dublin game that had an attendance of only 16,000.

Hurling has to be promoted and popularising it on TV is a big start. It seems as if Hurling is dying and keeping the likes of Cork and Kilkenny out when beaten is going to be a big start, similarly with Kerry, Tyrone etc. for Football. If the stronger counties are removed from the equation then, eventually the stronger counties may make it to a Final or Semi-Final. Look at Cavan when Kerry beat them in the 1997 semi-final, people still reminisce about that game here on boards.

Even if the team are beaten such brushes with victory will inspire a whole new generation of kids who are now disillusioned with the GAA and would rather play Rugby hoping to play for Munster. Why you may ask? Cork is always winning the Hurling and Tyrone and Kerry for Football etc, why bother then, we haven't a hope etc. are the answer you will probably get. Mayo footballers brought the County to a standstill in 2004, Imagine what it would have done for GAA in the county had they won. I call it the Croke Park dream, it inspires thousands of primary school kids hoping to emulate the likes of the Gooch and Seán Óg Ó hAilpín, I also argued this reason against opening Croke park to Soccer & Rugby, but the GAA (Grab All Association) but Cash before the long term viability of their game.

Give the little guy a chance and he will prove himself.

1. Tyrone deserve a go in the back door as does every county. Just because you're sick of seeing them beat Kerry doesn't mean they shouldn't get the chance every other county does. Kerry have never been involved in the back door because they take part in a Munster championship where the only team that can give them a game is Cork usually.

2. The hurling game had been shown LIVE that day. It was RTE's big match. So your entire second point is just downright wrong. I suggest you check these things before posting in future. Why would RTE show extended highlights of a game they'd shown live that day? Any of the audience that was interested would of taped or watched it. A longer time was spent on the Dublin game because it hadn't been shown on TV and there are alot of Dublin supporters so there'd be alot of interest in it.

netwhizkid

Lemlin wrote:

1. Tyrone deserve a go in the back door as does every county. Just because you're sick of seeing them beat Kerry doesn't mean they shouldn't get the chance every other county does. Kerry have never been involved in the back door because they take part in a Munster championship where the only team that can give them a game is Cork usually.

2. The hurling game had been shown LIVE that day. It was RTE's big match. So your entire second point is just downright wrong. I suggest you check these things before posting in future. Why would RTE show extended highlights of a game they'd shown live that day? Any of the audience that was interested would of taped or watched it. A longer time was spent on the Dublin game because it hadn't been shown on TV and there are alot of Dublin supporters so there'd alot of interest in it.

This is not about Tyrone beating Kerry or any other country for that matter pffft :eek: Kerry have been involved in the Championship in 2002 through the back door. Cork beat us and we progressed through the Qualifiers and thrashed Cork in the Semi-Final before Armagh pipped us in the final by a point. Putting myself in Cork boots I'd feel hard done by the way Kerry beat them, my point is that stronger counties should not be allowed the privileges of the back-door. Not only would it benefit the weaker counties but it would improve game quality because you have teams letting themselves be beat so as to avoid playing a stronger county in the next round.

RTE are always putting football first, It is wrong Hurling is our oldest sport and is in a downward spiral and this has to be reversed. Keeping the likes of Cork and Kilkenny out when they are beaten will help improve it immensely. Or maybe is it because I am sick of seeing the Tyrone hurlers win too? :eek:

solskjaer20

Yeah I'm sick of seeing Tyrone hurlers win too.

Lemlin

netwhizkid wrote:

This is not about Tyrone beating Kerry or any other country for that matter pffft :eek: Kerry have been involved in the Championship in 2002 through the back door. Cork beat us and we progressed through the Qualifiers and thrashed Cork in the Semi-Final before Armagh pipped us in the final by a point. Putting myself in Cork boots I'd feel hard done by the way Kerry beat them, my point is that stronger counties should not be allowed the privileges of the back-door. Not only would it benefit the weaker counties but it would improve game quality because you have teams letting themselves be beat so as to avoid playing a stronger county in the next round.

RTE are always putting football first, It is wrong Hurling is our oldest sport and is in a downward spiral and this has to be reversed. Keeping the likes of Cork and Kilkenny out when they are beaten will help improve it immensely. Or maybe is it because I am sick of seeing the Tyrone hurlers win too? :eek:

Can you give one example of a team losing on purpose to avoid a harder team in the next round? I certainly can't think of any and this sounds to be more your imagination than anything else.

RTE often show hurling games. As for putting football first, they do occasionally but that is only because football is the more popular sport. People pay for the licence that funds RTE and more people want to watch football so they have to give their audience what they want.

smashey

netwhizkid wrote:

Keeping the likes of Cork and Kilkenny out when they are beaten will help improve it immensely.

All this would allow for is the so-called weaker teams to play each other. Surely it would be more beneficial for them to play against the best teams. This would give them a better indicator of their standing. Cork and Kilkenny have set the standards and shouldn't be punished for doing so.

Yavvy

ahem.... so that qualifier draw

Tyrone -v- Louth .... Tyrone (by a wee mile)
Monaghan -v- Wicklow Monaghan easy peasy
Kildare/Offaly -v- Cavan Cavan (kildare are natural born loosers)
London -v- Westmeath (Westmeath ...just about)
Antrim -v- Clare Clare to win by a hurling score
Down -v- Sligo Down..but just about
Waterford -v- Longford hrmmm after my trip i think longford
Meath -v- Carlow - Carlow, c'mon the traffic lights

ergo

Monaghan vs Wicklow


as a Wicklow follower this was not exactly the draw I would have hoped for, if we had home advantage maybe a chance

when will we ever get a generous draw in the qualifiers ( am recalling Galway, Kerry, Derry, Donegal...)

but sure you never know, someday we'll win a match (though the 6 point lead over Kildare in Croker last year was probably our best chance and might not come around for a long time) *sighs*

Lemlin

I'd love to share your optimisn about Cavan winning Alany but they'll have to improve alot and there is a sense of disarray in the county at the minute.

smashey

I think Antrim are making good progress and may surprise Clare.

ardmacha

Netwhizkid. Two points the attendance at Longford reflected a full stadium, there are many people who might have liked to go who did not have the possibility of going or seeing it live on TV. Tipp v Waterford was a less than full stadium and had been shown live.

Hurling is after the football on the Sunday game, if you don't want to watch the football, then you needn't watch the first bit.

Would you prefer if football was like hurling and the lesser teams don't play in the Sam Maguire at all? If everyone is equal then Tyrone should be treated the same eveyone else. If everyone is not equal then Dublin shouldn't even have to play Longford.

Lastly Louth are playing at a venue of their choice because they don't have a big enough ground. The GAA don't want to get involved with ticket distribution for qualifiers, quite rightly.

Atomic Pineapple

yeh louth doesnt have a staduim with big enough capacity to host the game, well to host any game :d

so pairc tailteann is the best choice, where is the meath game being played does anyone know?

cournioni

Lemlin wrote:

I'd love to share your optimisn about Cavan winning Alany but they'll have to improve alot and there is a sense of disarray in the county at the minute.

Sooner we're out the better.

Salmon

Can Someone Clarify the designated counties rule?

I presume it means that the 'weaker' county would be at home if they are drawn against a 'stronger' county. So how come marty morrissey said that Westmeath and London would play in mullingar when the draw was being made? I would presume the match should be in London? I think when its shown on the tv its London V Westmeath which would mean that London were at home? Anyone know any more about this??

squire1

London were not a designated county as far as I know. It was probably deemed unfair to force a county to travel to London. AFAIK dates and venues will be confirmed on Wednesday for all ties between non designated counties.

These are the designated counties that get home advantage if drawn against a non designated county.
Antrim, Clare, Monaghan, Waterford, Sligo, Louth, Wicklow, Carlow and Longford


Non designated counties:
Tyrone, Cavan, London, Meath, Westmeath, Kildare and Down.

Did I miss anyone?

mchurl

Tyrone -v- Louth .... Tyrone easily enough
Monaghan -v- Wicklow Monaghan by 6 or 7
Kildare/Offaly -v- Cavan Just cant see Cavan getting their act together
London -v- Westmeath have to side with Westmeath!
Antrim -v- Clare Antrim to pull it off
Down -v- Sligo Down by 3
Waterford -v- Longford Have to go with Longford
Meath -v- Carlow - Would love to see Carlow do it( as would any Dublin man)but have to say Meath

nollaig

Where was it shown ?? Where was it, It was shown at the very last nearly. This is a disgrace, we need to promote Hurling and make it fashionable again. They spent nearly half an hour on the Longford - Dublin game that had an attendance of only 16,000.

The reason hurling was only given a small slot is because it was shown live. I watch both the live matches and the highlights and I would have been mightily pissed off if they started to show the hurling first, as I had already seen it earlier

caks1999

Tyrone v Louth - Tyrone should progress comfortably
Monaghan v Wicklow - Monaghan are getting better, they'll win this easily
Kildare/Offaly v Cavan - Cavan are a joke, either Leinster side to win
London v Westmeath - Westmeath, easier than some might expect
Antrim v Clare - Possibly the hardest to call so, as an Ulsterman, Antrim
Down v Sligo - Down by a good margin
Waterford v Longford - Longford
Meath v Carlow - Meath, though it's certainly not beyond Carlow to create a stir

smashey

I'm not so sure about Sligo v Down. Down are not as good as a lot of people think they are, and Sligo played well against Galway. With home advantage, Sligo might cause the shock of the round.

cournioni

smashey wrote:

Down are not as good as a lot of people think they are.

They are the most over rated team in the country by a mile.

Lemlin

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Sooner we're out the better.

I wouldn't go as far as saying I want the team out though Porn.

Culchie

smashey wrote:

I'm not so sure about Sligo v Down. Down are not as good as a lot of people think they are, and Sligo played well against Galway. With home advantage, Sligo might cause the shock of the round.

Jeez, it would hardly be a shock.
Sligo are one of the more experienced and battle hardened teams around, and fairly put it up to Galway a couple of weeks ago, even with a 16 year old kid in their forward line.

Down didn't impress against Donegal at all, I thought they would be far better after having had a previous outing, they didn't seem to come on alot at all.

Sligo for me in this one. Down could have drew a far easier team in the qualifiers.

In other news

Tyrone v Louth - Tyrone. Tight enough, fellahs sent off
Monaghan v Wicklow - Monaghan just too good for them
Kildare/Offaly v Cavan - Offaly (or Kildare) Cavan need to play with some pride.
London v Westmeath - Westmeath
Antrim v Clare - Clare
Down v Sligo - Sligo by the kick of a ball
Waterford v Longford - Longford, if they can win this and get a home draw could be the surprise team to have a run.
Meath v Carlow - Carlow, someone mentioned a shock of the round, this is my choice.

Delboy05

My tuppence worth....

Tyrone v Louth - Tyrone by 8
Monaghan v Wicklow - Monaghan by 6
Kildare/Offaly v Cavan - Cavan to beat Kildare
London v Westmeath - Westmeath by 12
Antrim v Clare - Antrim by 2
Down v Sligo - Sligo by 2
Waterford v Longford - Longford by 3
Meath v Carlow - Meath by 4