€300 Fo Hand

Hectorjelly

I have about 7k, not sure about the villain as he is kind of behind me (woohoo live poker). He is pretty tight and a bit overaggro, and trys to play trickily which just means he may as well turn his cards over against me. Maybe it works against others. A hand a few orbits ago was I limp after him with k5s, flop is k27, chkd to me I bet 700, he trys to make 1300. My cards are in the muck before the dealer sorts the hand out. He shows 222.

So a few orbits later I limp with 9T after him. The flop is JQk two spades. There is about 1.2k in the pot. He bets 200! I think there is a good chance I am beat already - everyone else folds. Turn is a 9, chk chk, river blank, he bets 2k. Is this ever a bluff? Anyone call here?

Hitman Actual

Am I right in saying that you think he's flopped the nut straight? And you have the second nuts? The hand is played out funny alright, but I would find it very hard to fold here.

ianmc38

You must call here.

ocallagh

I think you can safely rule out 2 pair or trips. He bets the flop stronger and checks it down after the turn with any of those hands... if he does bet on the river it's definitely not 2k!! So he's defo not value betting a made hand that you beat.

By betting 2K he's either bluffing or he has a straight.

You showed weakness on the turn be checking behind him. He may well have Ax spades. 2k river bet, and the check on the turn would be consistent if he is bluffing.

He might have KT and decided to be crafty on the turn! He might also have AT....

In summary, Ax spades looks quite likely to me.. and there is only one hand that beats you. It is a tough one to discuss on the forum. You need to be at the table to make this decision. I think you win this one as often as you lose it.. and the rest of the time you split it. So with the extra value (1k) in the pot from the other players it's a call I think...

Hitman Actual

ocallagh wrote:

I think you can safely rule out 2 pair or trips. He bets the flop stronger and checks it down after the turn with any of those hands...

I dont get this part; in the other hand, didn't villain try to check-min-raise HJ?

The pot/6 flop bet is weird, and the bet on the end looks like a value bet, but this player seems to be a bit all over the place so I think I still call. Although maybe his tricky play is just working against me!

ocallagh

lenny_leonard wrote:

I dont get this part; in the other hand, didn't villain try to check-min-raise HJ?

Yes, but that was on a danger free flop.. If he has trips on a JQK flop he's not gonna be check min-raising or betting the minimum.

Hitman Actual

ocallagh wrote:

Yes, but that was on a danger free flop.. If he has trips on a JQK flop he's not gonna be check min-raising or betting the minimum.

Oh yeah, see where you're coming from now, for some reason I thought you were referring to the first hand. Now if you'd said "He bets this flop stronger... etc" I would have picked it up easier, what with my low IQ and all!

Hectorjelly

If he had of bet normally on the flop I would probably be all in at some stage (allthough the 9 would of slowed me down),but I really didnt get the sense that he was bluffing me. I dont think I win the hand that much, but I chop it a good bit.

I know its not a great hand to analyse as you have to rely so much on intuition

Ste05

Hectorjelly wrote:

I know its not a great hand to analyse as you have to rely so much on intuition

Very true, but I'd love to hear your thought process for making the decision.

I can't see how you could fold here?? The times he's bluffing here with a missed flush I think makes this a must call, but I'm also interested to hear your reasoning for not raising the flop, does he bet draws stronger??,

Could he not equally he getting tricky with trips??

Hectorjelly

When he bet 300 on the flop I thought his most likely hand was AT. I dont think he would bet that amount with a draw. My immediate reaction was to get to a showdown as cheap as possible. There the 9 on the turn actually made my hand a lot weaker. I chked to keep the pot small. Then the river bet comes, its hard to explain but I know this isnt a bluff. Not from some physical tell or other crap, but because of al the information he has leaked through the hand. His bet is a value bet. Now he could well have Kt (for a spli) but I dont think Im ever winning the hand outright.

I called at the time and he showed me AT - which im still annoyed about. If a player plays a hand that badly against me then I should punish him. I dont accept that I should just be prepared to lose chips in these circumstances.