SBG and "Self-Protection".

Baggio...

To any of the SBG guys,

Just out of genuine curiosity and interest. Would any one be able to to give me (and for anyone else who might be interested) some info on the the self-protection side of things at SBG? Origins, approach, curriculum, influences etc. Any info is appreciated.

Cheers,

Bagg.

Roper

Here's what I posted on the other thread:

Hey,
I don't train in SBG HQ, so I don't speak for anyone but me. I run a training group affiliated to SBG though, and here's the deal as regards what's expected of me as a group leader: To train in Stand-Up, Clinch, and Ground in an alive manner. They're the 3 ranges a fight will happen in, so that'd be the approach to self protection in that regard.

Then there's the other stuff people hate to hear about. Like for example athleticism, fitness and healthy mindset. But that's really up to the individual. Training in a healthy manner tends to have a knock on effect though.

john kavanagh

if you are interested in reading about it...

go here to read about the curriculum, philosophy etc of SBG training methods. you can also read here about the ISR LE method

if you are interested in doing it...then how about a free 1-2-1 with me:D pm or email sbgireland@gmail.com and i'm sure we can work out a time and place that suits us both.

john

Baggio...

Hi John,

Thanks for the info', I'll have a look. And thanks for the kind offer of a training session. I know a couple of people that train there, and they all speak very highly of SBG. I'll admit I only found out recently that SGB was also into self-protection (my bad of course).

Cheers,

B.

Millionaire

I had a great 1-2 with john... it was really amazed by his skills and teaching on ground work. and indeed after I wanted to join up..but KM commitments and kickboxing,,could not get the 101 class to fit.

however still do nt agree with this falicous healthy mind set stuff.... thats for the yoga class!!!!! ; - ) (just slaggin!!! )

Millionaire

Was reading article about Functional JKD., and how Matt developed the SBG from JKD. In fact I think that Mark Stewart is doing a seminare in Bangkok this month..(if its the same JKD guy).

Yes, very interesting reading. certainly take his point on Alive training.

I really experienced that myself when I came to Thailand and started working clinch, and got thrown on my head 10 times in 5 mins, by a thai guy about 20kg lighter than me. (now 5 months later, I have imporved).

It amazed me who what I thougt was clinch before, did not help me one bit. and the reason.... I was doing clinch in SD classes with not a fully resisting opponent. !!!!! try it on a resisting experienced guy..and I was dead meat!

Is the Clinch your refer to in SBG...similar or different than thai style clinch?

I imagine SBG would be working the clinch to a possible take down, where the thai cannot shoot the legs.

I wonder, why Matt in developing SBG, and him a JKD man...would he have removed things like Wing Chun eye jab from the teachings...that is a big part of JKD??

Colm_OReilly

Thai Clinch, i.e. the plum/head control is useful for striking.

Greco Clinch, i.e. Underhooks/body control is useful to takedowns.

A lot of the time you'll see people getting head control because it's easier (easier to grab, not to have a solid plum!) than digging for underhooks, but very difficult to get any sort of decent takedown from.

RedRaven

Colm_OReilly wrote:

Thai Clinch, i.e. the plum/head control is useful for striking.

Greco Clinch, i.e. Underhooks/body control is useful to takedowns.

A lot of the time you'll see people getting head control because it's easier (easier to grab, not to have a solid plum!) than digging for underhooks, but very difficult to get any sort of decent takedown from.

As you know yourself Colm the Thai style can vary from fighter to fighter i.e. one fighter might have very strong arms so his opponent will try to avoid this by applying arm locks around the body kinda similar to underhooks and use this to throw or unbalance his opponent...as with a lot of clinch orientated martial arts they are quite complex and seeing two fighters play a chess game between their weapons is like watch a chess game at 100 MPH the only diference is each mistake you make will most likely result in you getting hurt!!;)

Millionaire

these guys clinch by arms around the torso too. hug you tight, then lean back, and throw me down.

also lean forward and throw too.

an interesting brand of Muay Thai!

I like you SBG guys training ethos! (changing my tune these days...thats allowed!)!!

john kavanagh

Millionaire wrote:

I imagine SBG would be working the clinch to a possible take down, where the thai cannot shoot the legs

lol at you always thinking SBG = ground. next time your in ireland drop by and have a bit of an ole spar with adrian degorski, dave roche, arni isaksson etc from my place and see who wants to go to the ground

skill in the clinch range will allow you to decide where the fight happens - either to get the takedown...or stop it!

'thai' style clinch is (in general!) geared towards striking whereas wrestling/judo clinch is geared towards the takedown. we train both.

Roper

john kavanagh wrote:

lol at you always thinking SBG = ground. next time your in ireland drop by and have a bit of an ole spar with adrian degorski, dave roche, arni isaksson etc from my place and see who wants to go to the ground

... to play dead and hope they go away?:D

I think a lot of people equate MMA with the ground actually. In my experience anyway.

Baggio...

Hey Mill,

Just wondering about the clinch used in MMA etc. Is it the same as Lee Morrison uses or has he adjusted it in any way?

Cheers,

B.

Millionaire

john kavanagh wrote:

lol at you always thinking SBG = ground. next time your in ireland drop by and have a bit of an ole spar with adrian degorski, dave roche, arni isaksson etc from my place and see who wants to go to the ground

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Yes would love to train, and learn more. One always learns by sparring the top boys.

Probably will be me going to the ground for a count of 10, if I spar those boys!!! LOL!!!

I can see training both styles clinch, thai and wrestling give the strong advantage.

As for what baggio asks...

well I am only learning Thai clinch (not an expert my means!), so how it differs from say Lee Morrisson..

Well Lees, clinch, and indeed mine before, hes grabbing hard around neck, shooting hard knees into groin, and then crankinh the neck of the attacker down so attacker hit the deck... and the you escape..

when the Fighters over here do in clinch, while training, they spend alot of time wrestling in the clinch, working to gain the best had position (as red raven says...its like a fast game of chess watching them), strong knees well be thrown (they use side of tigh in training to not bust sparring partner), and they often try to "throw" you to the ground, using a takedown. they do not throw many elbows in clinch , as its pretty dangerous in training. however in their fights elbow are frequent, and they all have ample scars on their faces and heads to prove it!

when they fight, I was suprised to see they spend 60 - 70% of the time from round 3 on in clinch, blasting the knees in. much more so that any european thai I see, i think??

They do an hour of full on clinch work most days, and sometimes 2 hours, if someone if fighting a big card down in Bangkok.

when I train with them in clinch, usually I come out the worst for wear, especially if the paces hots up a bit . I try to keep going in the session, until I just cannot last no more...be it exhaustion, heat etc... thats when learning really takes place.